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[0:09] I just want to say thank you the Creighton for the wonderful um and meaningful donation.
It really means a lot and I am very happy to know that our story from last week really touched the hearts of um a lot of you.
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So thank you again, creating thing again for all of our other listeners who was touched by that episode as well.
[0:37] So today we have a very special guest who I've been recording podcast episodes with many times, but you haven't.
Special Guest: Cari
[0:46] Now this is my first.
[0:50] Hello? Hello.
[0:50] Hello, Carina Schmid, also known as Cari Safari.
[0:53] Hello? Hello? Hello. Yes, that's me. How are you doing?
[0:55] Yes that's me, how are you doing? How's it hanging here?
[0:59] Also known as Carrie Safari?
[1:02] Yes. How does it feel to film a different podcast?
[1:03] Yes. How does it feel to film a different podcast but in the same room that you film your other podcasts english.
[1:07] Weird and now I have to speak english.
I'm not so good at this you know that's yeah.
[1:13] You're very good at it, don't pretend.
[1:18] Howdy, howdy. Justin that's how you yes that's how you usually greet everyone.
[1:20] Welcome to my podcast.
[1:30] So today um we didn't really ask you if you had like a special topic you wanted to talk about.
[1:30] Yeah We didn't,
know. I was also not prepared for anything. I'm like it's 10 AM.
[1:39] Would you like to take a look at the list and what.
[1:45] What's happening? Would you like to take a look at our.
[1:46] Would you like to take a look at our topic list and pick one or do you want to go with the default one that we picked for you?
[1:51] Okay. Oh yes there's a chance for another topic. What would it be?
[1:55] We don't want to spoil anything here in public.
[1:57] We don't want to spoil it here. Maybe it has to do with Berlin Right.
[2:01] Yes, the whole podcast is about Berlin and helping people move to Berlin We have lots of like.
[2:05] Yeah I heard that.
[2:13] Borrowing topics still not so many, we could talk about insurances or taxes or no.
[2:22] No, that's not that that's not the most interesting time burning.
[2:23] How about we talk about learning german in Berlin there was one topic that I find interesting to talk about, Berlin mentality.
[2:28] Yeah, okay. But there was there was one topic that I also find interesting to talk about Berlin mentality.
The Berlin Mentality
[2:35] Okay let's talk about that. We just last week we just had, we went out and there were several people complaining about.
[2:36] And we just last week we just had, we went out and there were several people complaining about,
people being mean to them, you both were there.
[2:48] Oh yes let's talk about this.
[2:53] So now I have this video idea in mind if people are being mean to you in Germany and in Berlin particular hope this, that's the strategy if people are and why are they mean to you throw coffee?
[3:00] What, what's the strategy if people are mean to you in Berlin and why are they mean to you?
[3:00] Oh I love this topic, yes, let's let's change And why are they throw coffee in their face?
[3:07] That's that's a good point. I mean there's several reasons why they are being mean and there are several ways out I guess.
[3:08] That's a good point. I mean there are several reasons why they are being mean and there are several ways out I guess.
I mean there's not one way but there are different strategies to cope with it as I heard.
[3:15] I mean there's not one way but they are different strategies to cope with it as I heard.
[3:22] Give us some examples.
[3:22] And well if I can start with an example from my own life, I have like first,
I mean there are many small things where you see this in everyday life, you come to a shop and then,
someone is just being rude or you like you, you feel like you're not the customer, you are the intruder like you come in and you want something and people look at you or almost yell at you for wanting their service and that's,
I think that's really strange for many people who are new in Berlin including many Germans because it's also,
it's I think it's a mix of german,
I mean there are some aspects that people will find strange here that may be all over Germany like for example, peeping people correcting you, People trying to educate you about things,
you have to do right in public, let's say in,
in traffic, like if you stand at the red light, people will yell at you.
I mean if you stand at the green light and you don't go, if you go across the red light people yell at you if you Exactly.
[4:33] If you walk in the back lane, people yell at you, that's something, for example, that matter. And I would also do like, yeah, there was, You're the reason for the trauma.
[4:36] So that's something for example, that monument, I would also do like we are the ones, we are also the we are also the annoying Germans in that in that case.
Um but then there is something that is also somehow even more true in Berlin and that's I mean some people would refer to it as bellini,
that means that you have like, like literally it means Berlin mouth or something like that and it's it's like a,
a nice way to describe that Berliners are very straightforward and rough I guess.
And yeah, it happens to you in shops. I mean here in this area where we live, you actually don't have a lot of shops that are,
owned or run by true Berlin nas, it's like either foreigners from outside Germany or foreigners from outside Berlin like Germans from other places who come here,
to be more free and live more, I'd say open lifestyle than they are used to in their smaller towns maybe.
So in general, you would find a very open and nice atmosphere because the whole world, everybody's moving to Berlin as you, as you know.
[5:54] Yeah. And I think people come here to.
[5:56] And I think people come here to have a different experience and not be stuck in a kind of, you know,
they let's say, the mindset of a small town or something like that.
[6:07] Now, my question is how do you go about on both ends of things?
But let's go from the let's say the tourist or the the new new beginner person in Berlin how do you go about, you know, dealing with people who,
kind of have that type of mentality towards you because there is in some way or I've witnessed where like for me,
I get where they're coming from, but then also I am at a point now where just because you have been in your entire life does not mean you get to treat me any type of way.
So it's like how do you kind of go about, you know, not getting in an argument, but also, you know, being able to stand your ground and say, look, I made a mistake but you don't have to yell at me for it.
Yeah, just like that, I guess saying like, hey, um you know, I'm happy to learn, you're welcome to give me feedback, but please stay friendly.
[6:53] Yeah, just like that. I guess saying like, Hey, I'm, you know, I'm happy to learn. You are welcome to give me feedback, but please stay friendly.
And I think often it helps people being reminded that sometimes it also just helps to cry.
[7:02] And I think often it helps people being reminded that sometimes it also just helps to cry.
[7:11] I want to mention. So this whole thing of berliners being rude and you being treated rudely has become almost kind of like a meme, like everybody seems to know about it now, but it really, I think we should stress, it really is true and it really happens.
I personally know several people who in their first few weeks or months in the city,
cried and not like people who are usually big criers just because someone treated them so rough and they, so it is a thing and you need to be prepared for it.
My strategy is a different one. I I don't tell people, hey, treat me with, with respect, be nicer.
I I fight them, kill them with kindness and but like maybe it's slightly passive aggressive because I do it in a ridiculous way then.
But when someone is like that to me in a in a shop or anywhere, I just switch this like this hyper friendly,
you know, almost, I don't know southern California, I just like,
I reply like, oh thank you so much that like I just treat them as if they were the nicest person in the world and it's it's slightly passive aggressive, but I swear to God it works because it throws them off.
[8:18] That is so helpful for me, Manuel, thank you so.
[8:26] Like you can tell in their in their eyes that they don't really know what to do now and usually it like takes it down a notch at least.
Yeah, that's true. I mean that doesn't always work like if you, I think if you're in a situation where you expect things to be like that, it's it's okay and if you're in the right look for it.
[8:34] Yeah, that's true. I mean, that doesn't always work. Like if you, I think if you're in a situation where you expect things to be like that, it's it's okay and if you're in the right mood for it.
But if you are in a vulnerable situation, then maybe you don't have a strategy and then maybe like crying is the right thing. I don't know.
[8:43] But if you are in a vulnerable situation,
yeah. That can escalate quickly is the problem. That's Yeah.
[8:52] How do we feel about just flicking someone off? Because sometimes I'm just I'm just there. Sometimes I'm just like that and that's why I haven't done it. I'm just like.
[8:57] I'm just, there's no time.
[9:01] That's what I sometimes do in traffic, but just in the, just on the highway when there's no other way.
This is interesting.
[9:09] Like I feel like if I, if I hung, it's too disturbing. So I just give people looks or fingers.
[9:11] Yeah, because like sometimes there is no other way earrings. Yeah, I don't know. Mhm. I mean, I'm never.
[9:18] I don't know. I feel like I'm sometimes I'm being, I mean, I'm never the aggressor. I feel like I'm just, you know, responding to people because what do you do on the highway? But that's another.
[9:25] Matching the energy.
[9:30] So instead of flipping people off, I recommend waving and smiling like.
[9:37] Yeah, I'm talking about a different situation but like okay, I can give you an example of like,
the first time I went to a hospital in Berlin that was like where my actual culture shock happened because that was already, I've already been in Berlin for three years,
and I felt like okay, I'm used to, you know for example, I'm sitting in a restaurant,
the person brings the wrong dish or the wrong drink and I'm saying like, hey, I ordered this and they are mad at you for letting them know they made a mistake.
They're not saying like, oh, I'm sorry, let me bring you something else.
They are like, so what?
[10:15] And then they said, yeah, in essence it, no, maybe not like that.
But they have seen this many times and I've seen it in groups of like with foreigners who are even like more like shocked about this than I am.
But when I remember when I first came to the hospital in Berlin like I was really in a vulnerable situation.
I felt like I didn't know exactly what I had. So I had to go to hospital to take some examinations and I could have, I could have had or there was the idea that I could have had something you know sincere.
So I was like vulnerable. I came in and first thing they told me I'm at the wrong place I need to register first.
So it's like here's kind of or first game and then I'm like okay, could you please tell me where the registration is.
I go there, there's a person who has time. I'm at the right place. Lucky me.
So I take this questionnaire that includes like in the case of death, what should we do with your body while another person comes in and I see in her eyes that she's just as like in the same state that I was, you know, like feeling.
[11:18] Oh my God!
[11:27] Feeling insecure and maybe being afraid of going to the hospital.
That's something that everyone has I think and why are people not trained to accommodate this? When you arrive in the hospital?
There should be a whole welcome team saying like, hey, how are you, let me help you instead people are yelling at you.
So I sit there and this other woman asked like, hey, I'm looking for the registration difficult work.
And then the woman who talks to me and takes this questionnaire while we talk about my potential death,
yells at her and says like, can't you see I'm busy here,
And I'm like, oh my God, you know, this made my experience worse and the women's experience,
even worse because that was her first interaction with the hospital and,
this was just the registration like it went on and,
on and I felt like, like then I had to come back a few times for some other checkups and I felt like after the second time I already I treated it like a comedy and I felt like okay people are just, it's,
just like, I just feel like I'm in a movie,
and I felt more secure and I felt like more like I know my place is I know the procedures so I could feel more secure now and take it less personal and if you,
if you can see it like that it's it's actually kind of funny how rude people are to themselves essentially, you know like why would you come with such a bad mood to work and why would you.
[12:57] I don't know like you live with that the whole day, you know I just have a 10 minute or five minute interaction with you but you go right yeah.
[13:04] You're like that with every single person? Yeah. And is it I mean, can we speculate on the reasons why this happens?
[13:08] And is it, I mean can we speculate on the reasons why this happens?
One example that I also witnessed several times is um.
[13:13] One example that I also witnessed several times is um people refusing to speak english, not so much in the shops or cafes, but in the office is like.
[13:20] People refusing to speak english, not so much in the shops or cafes, but in the offices like the,
and like and I was I had an appointment and at the table it was like several tables next to each other and at the table next to me there was someone who had just moved here, clearly,
didn't speak any german and yet the woman working there was,
speaking to him in german as if he understood and just kind of raising her voice whenever he didn't get the question and just repeating it louder.
And I literally turned and I told her like I don't think he has hearing problems, I don't think that's the issue and then I helped translate and I kind of understand that it's like um,
a mechanism to protect yourself against.
I don't know like if you don't speak any english and you work there like what are you going to do?
I get it? But the solution shouldn't be raising your voice, your solution should be maybe asking hey is there someone you can call, who can help translate? Or should we ask the person sitting right next to us if they can help?
Like why is what there was resorting to raising their voice doesn't make any sense.
[14:34] Yes. Oh my gosh, I've had that problem at least three times already.
A few nurses where like I went to a place and I was like, my german is not good.
And she continued to speak to me in german, I'm just like, I just used sign language at that point where I'm like, okay, she's obviously we're not, I can't get an appointment.
And then I tried to get like a walking like um, um, covid test and like I was struggling to like type it into like my phone what she was saying and she was just like, I'm just not going to help you.
So then I'm like, does anyone speak english? Like I prepared those words and she was like, do you speak german? And I'm like, no, I don't.
And it's like there's just like no sense of like meeting me halfway.
And I think I said it's like one in one of the first episodes of like, yeah, everyone speaks german and I get it.
But also is it possible to meet people halfway?
And it's weird because like famous anyway.
[15:26] And it's weird because Berlin is like famous as the city where you don't need to learn german ever, because everybody speaks english and it's so diverse and international. And yet there are some situations where people are just really not flexible at all.
[15:30] Yeah. So, and yet there are some situations, Not at all.
No, no, it's just this flexibility thing, but I think you made a good point guard and when you said,
not taking it personal, which that's something that I am definitely learning to do because especially like whenever you go into these new places, you feel like all eyes are always on you, you know that you're the mess up or whatnot.
But then you hear all these other stories and you realize that you're just one in a million people have had the same exact experience,
and that definitely does make it like a lot easier thing to go through, um time and time again when you're like, okay, it's not me, this is just the culture here, That's just the vibe.
[16:14] And I also think that Berlin is changing in a way,
maybe something we don't see, but I think people are aware that, I mean at least some of some people are aware that things are changing, some people, I would assume that more people speak english now than 10 years ago,
and that people are more used to you know,
like or more aware, let's say that the way of treating people is not always working well or that maybe other people have other expectations and you know for example things you read is that.
[16:53] Berlin bus drivers get special trainings now to you know speak english and treat people nicely, it's funny that you need to training for that, but as a bus driver you are like a,
public servant, you know, you are there to help people, you transport people and sometimes you have to communicate with them possibly often during the day and then if you yell at people because they,
don't know use the wrong entrance or whatever you can do wrong the busses like,
it's not helpful and it's not helpful, not just for this person, but also for,
the image of the city of Berlin the image of Germany,
the fact I mean Germany needs migrants and it's this is something that is,
now, I think slowly understood that it's not like we can afford to scare people off forever, thanks for being here just and and coping with it.
[17:46] Mhm Yeah, thank you.
You know, and that that was another thing that like I always like felt conflicted about was like how welcomed I was in the city base of that type of mentality and how welcome, you know, migrants are.
Um because I'm a person who you know, always believes that you know, we should always be able to, you know, move to where we want to and this is a great opportunity for me to experience and indulge in a culture but it's a weird like.
[18:19] Um like negative spiral when like a lot of,
people here are maybe upset that a lot of people aren't learning german or not adapting, but they also don't make it easy for those people to adapt and learn into assembly into the culture.
So it's like if you want people to like embrace the culture and you want people to adapt, you want people to learn, you want people to actually know be able to speak.
And eventually one day then you have to meet them halfway and it seems like there's like sometimes none of that push and pull type of thing.
But then once again it always does very depending on who you meet and like where you're at because like,
um when I went to one of the doctors offices, um it was the only one that spoke english to me and I was so nervous, so nervous and then she was like, it's okay,
calm down and I'm like thank you, thank you.
So there's always like, like those, those small moments where people are really good, but it's like, oh world advice when you enter into a store, you just never know who you're gonna get.
[19:20] Map okay? Speaking of learning german, which will, I mean it will alleviate all of this a little bit once you're able to just talk, you can yell back.
The Best Way To Learn German
[19:31] Yeah you can yell back then, you can say actually I speak actually.
[19:35] You can say actually I speak.
[19:38] Um so obviously um you've dedicated your life to teaching people.
[19:38] Um so obviously um you've dedicated your life to teaching people are in german by accident kind of know.
[19:46] That sounds a lot. Yes. Well wouldn't you say that's true?
[19:50] Well, but wouldn't you say that's true.
[19:53] Yeah, that's true.
[19:54] That's true.
So I guess our question or what we wanted to talk about is besides obviously watching and listening to easy german.
[19:55] So I guess our question, yeah.
[20:07] What's the best way to learn german, once you're in Berlin in many ways.
[20:07] What's the best way to learn german, what's your in Berlin Oh I guess there are many ways.
[20:15] Um but essentially I guess it's a mix, like you should listen, you should um speak, you should write how long.
[20:15] Um but essentially I guess it's a mix like you should listen, you should um speak, you should write and you should read what other things in there.
So for someone listening who hasn't started learning german at all and is planning to come to Berlin how long, how much time was the time investment to get to A level that will get you through everyday life pretty well. And what's that level?
[20:28] So for someone listening who hasn't started learning german at all and is planning to come to Berlin how long, how much time, what's the time investment to get to A level that will get you through everyday life pretty well and what's that level?
[20:42] That's I mean that maybe I'm not like I'm, I mean I can, I can just say that it's very, very different.
There's like maybe I guess if you know the A one vocabulary and you can, you have,
done in a one course, I mean you can talk,
or you know the basic vocabulary that doesn't mean you understand everything in everyday life because people, you know use abbreviations or slang or there are more difficult worlds than a one.
So I guess it's like a process and you should treat it as a process always. Like even if you've like been learning for five years, you will still learn new things.
But I mean there are some people who can, you know, understand a lot of things after three or six months if you dedicate a lot of time, that means like.
[21:41] Maybe not just 10 minutes a day, as I currently do in Spanish and then I forget everything again.
But you should dedicate I guess one or two hours a day. And then I guess you'll make progress um faster.
And I would assume. And and I mean there's even the option to do a full time course. If you can afford that because you have time and money then I guess that makes it even faster if you like.
You know, you have conversation classes four hours a day, you read and listen to things two hours a day. I guess you'll be able to progress pretty quickly. But you know, there are people who need more time and that's also okay.
[22:20] And I would like to emphasize that it's okay to take more time.
Um I am very excited for the, you know, the journey of learning german or whatnot, but it was definitely one of those things where especially moving here and with all the other things that I was doing, adding learning german on top of that,
it was added a little bit too, like my stress of like, like moving here and getting like a seemingly and everything that and one of the things that um I'm realizing now is that,
is going to take a little bit of time for me to get to that point and that's okay, you know, it's okay to take baby steps.
Like I'm taking a one of our german classes right now is a one and one of the girls in my class, she's been here for two years, so I'm like, if she's been here for two years and she's doing a one, I'm okay to relax.
[23:11] Absolutely, yeah, you shouldn't have any pressure. It's also okay if you're here for five years and you're taking a one because,
there are reasons, you know, and it's not that, I mean obviously it's it helps you to speak german if you are in Germany, but it's not that it's necessary.
You know. If it was necessary, people wouldn't be living here for 10 years without speaking german.
You can get along pretty well and you can make friends, you can go out, you can even go to the doctor in english, maybe not to everyone, but it's absolutely possible to live here without speaking german.
[23:45] And if even if you don't do any active learning, you automatically pick up the language somewhat just by being here.
But I will make a strong case for being um what's the word?
Um dedicated or like Not just learning through a simulation.
I think that can work for some people better than for others being intentional.
Yes. Being very intentional with and I agree with you that you can take your time if you don't have any time then spend 20 minutes a day, but be intentional about those 20 minutes and carry.
You mentioned this as a recommendation for people who have the time and the money, but I really agree that starting off with some kind of intensive course can really kind of kick start your journey.
Like when I moved to Poland I had the privilege of doing a two week full time intensive course and I came there with like an A one level and then like that brought me, I don't know to an A two level or something.
Like it just, it was really helpful to have that kick start at the beginning and then to like throughout the year that I lived there learn intentionally and yeah, if you can do that, I would I would do the same.
And then also just Um besides picking up German through conversations and media and everything, just setting aside those 20 or 30 minutes to actually study actually study vocabulary grammar.
[25:12] And it will make a big difference and it will make a difference.
Probably not so much in how much you understand because that kind of listening comes almost automatically when you live here, but being able to communicate and communicating well and kind of being happy with how you sound.
[25:30] Another thing that um chris had actually um mentioned um was that he kind of used and also like where he was like speaking to himself and also using it to more like survival methods.
So like learning what he needed to get by,
in doing that you always have a reason to learn something,
because that was also some some um part of um struggle that I had with like okay like I'm starting but like I'm not starting anything, I'm applying to my like everyday life so I will spend maybe my 10 or 20,
minutes um learning vocab but then I will forget about it.
But when you're like constantly okay let's say I need to go order something or I need to go talk to this person and go talk to that person, what's the proper um infrastructure.
What particularly goes like for this type of conversation or environment that kind of I think inspires you to,
once again have more intention with how you're learning it and stuff that then it kind of being a little bit more random where you're not really able to apply it to your like everyday lifestyle.
[26:33] Absolutely, I mean you should, if you are in Berlin already or in Germany you should take advantage of that and build it into your everyday life, I mean it also has something maybe to do with how,
um confident you are to address strangers for example, I mean if you feel like that's an issue,
anyway then it's, it makes it more difficult, like for example, I, when I was younger, I worked in a, in a dutch german.
[27:05] Office and one of my jobs was that I sometimes had to call people in the Netherlands and it was expected of me to speak to them in dutch and.
[27:16] I was already at a level where if I had been more confident, I could have taken this as a positive challenge and said okay, now let's prepare for that, let's test my level of,
dutch and see how far I can go without switching to german or english, but I felt like totally insecure about it, I felt like, I felt awful like I,
I feel like I, people will see any or hear any way that I'm not native, so they will switch,
anyway and then I thought like all my colleagues in the office,
are listening to me making the phone call, that's also annoying if I say something wrong, everyone will laugh at me like you know, I had these thoughts and that it totally blocked me from having this positive experience,
but if you you know, if you can set like get yourself into this mindset and say,
okay, this is like Berlin is my stage and I can just,
try things out without you know, feeling bad about it if you and this can be small steps, you can say that okay this week or this month I'm focusing on interactions in shops.
[28:19] And I'm just learning the vocabulary I need, I learned like the 1020 most useful verbs I learned by heart how to conjugate them, I understand, I try to understand and write down all the sentences that people could say to me and I,
right on the sentences of things that I would want in the shop and then I just go and try our things and,
I mean sometimes you'll have an unpleasant experience because someone's,
unfriendly or maybe sometimes someone will see you're a foreigner and respond,
in english and then you know you your experiment is like fails but sometimes you'll have a good experience and this will make you you know.
[28:50] I would say that it failed.
[28:59] This will motivate you to go further and do the next thing and maybe now do, I don't know a doctor's visit in german or whatever.
[29:08] I have two recommendations that are related. The first one is from rough and rita from easy first and easy italian.
And I've heard it in other places as well which is to especially in the beginning don't focus so much on learning individual words but learn entire phrases because that will kind of kick start you like like you said if you have some kind of appointment,
learn some sentences that you can just kind of say the entire sentence and,
yeah you might get stuck when they reply and then you don't understand and stuff like that.
[29:39] That's the plot twist.
[29:40] But it will that's the part twist but it will it will help you kind of do more in the beginning as if you're like trying to create new sentences all the time.
You know from scratch. The other recommendation that I have comes from a blog that really helped me learn spanish called deliberate spanish dot com.
Um and we recently met the guy who writes it in Barcelona yes it was very nice.
[30:04] MM I also met him.
[30:07] And his recommendation was to write to have a mistakes journal.
So first of all like ask everybody who you're,
speaking with or who is german or speaks german around you to correct your mistakes and then don't just say yes thank you, write down the mistake that you made and then review your mistakes.
I I did this when I traveled in latin America. I wrote down every mistake that got corrected either verbally or I was also like writing a journal in spanish every day and I had had it corrected by my tendon partner,
and then all those mistakes. I wrote them down.
And then I reviewed my mistakes journal every week.
And I specifically noted the mistakes that I had been doing several times and those I was, I,
then looked at and like made a conscious decision to not repeat that mistake and it's a much more effective way to like get rid of these mistakes that otherwise can become habitual and then you keep doing them.
[31:09] Thank you, man, that's done for the advance.
[31:12] Yes, I like that like that.
But no, I definitely being able to get feedback definitely can help out a lot because sometimes if someone corrects you and you kind of just kind of just goes out the window and then you kind of forget about being able to apply all your mistakes like that, helping does help in the future.
Um but also going back to uh when the the plot twist that you said my struggle is always with, I know the first sentence, but after they respond, I'm lost,
after that, I'm like all right back to english time because all I practiced was just that first, it is a german and they responded, I'm like.
[31:53] At least you at least you say so. There's been many.
[31:54] English no or spirits.
[31:59] When I used to work in the Apple store, I remember so many times people would come in and would start talking in german and continue the conversation in german and then I'd ask them questions and then just say yeah, yeah, yeah.
And eventually it be a question that wasn't a yes no question. And they just, yeah, and I'm like, no, no. I asked you how much space do you need?
[32:20] Uh but you know you can also you know have a strategy for that by learning a few sentences. Like could you speak a bit slower or I'm sorry, I'm still learning, I didn't understand that.
Could you describe that in a different way? I mean not everyone will follow up then. Maybe people switch to english, but at least then you you have finished.
[32:41] Do you have something to respond to? Yeah overwhelmed and you have finished and closed?
[32:43] Yeah and you are not you don't feel overwhelmed and you have kind of finished and closed the german part of the conversation and it feels good.
[32:49] Yeah, that's true, that's true.
[32:52] So what's your like how do you learn german now? What's your strategy?
[32:54] How do you learn german now? What's your, my strategy is taking the classes because that helps me, you know, be um accountable.
Um I need to get back to like my other stuff but before I was using ceiling I would do Um like if I was doing 30 minutes a day I would do 15 minutes of sealing their 15 minutes of doing go,
um so I'll probably kind of do that again and then I think that what we kind of talked about, I think the survival like technique of like preparing sentences,
like preparing intentional sentences will help me a lot more because if it's like just kind of the random ish type of learning, I want to forget it.
Like I just know myself enough to know that I'm not the most important things in my toolkit right now, but I think um like,
today in past is probably going to be learning those sentences and actually now adding the, can you speak a little slower, all type of stuff to it too.
Um I think process definitely changes um of course because like right now my life is still changed, like I'm not settled here just yet.
Um technically I'm not supposed to be here, we're being honest.
[34:06] Now you're you're still owe your Visa runs out today, right? No no but it's it's fine because you like they confirmed that it's it's a common thing that Berlin offices are slow.
[34:11] I don't I don't think this is something we should discuss public. Yes,
that Berlin Uh.
[34:21] It's like you're not the first one who lives through this. It's I know it's stressful.
[34:24] But then there's a grace period if it's their fault you have already when you're Visa and they haven't respond. Yeah.
[34:26] No no it means like if you have already filed for your Visa and it's their fault then you can stay.
[34:34] Yes, it's like still allowing because now you're in no man's land.
[34:35] It's just like it's it's still annoying because now technically yeah yeah you can probably not easily travel and stuff like that so it's it's annoying so but.
[34:48] Yes, but I digress. Yes, we got there.
But um but yeah, so like there's so much going on in my life is still changing, so I'm really, I still am trying to figure out my routine.
Um So the process is constantly changing. Like I am not at A level where I feel,
I am confident enough to like sit down and like review german like,
each and every day, but like it's still like it's going back to the intentional thing is still an,
idea of mine and thankfully I work in a language learning company, so like it's never in the back of my mind, you know, it's always in the front and I think even just being around, you know, everyone um speaking german whatnot.
Um I've learned to use those opportunities not to zone out, but also to try to like zone in like a little bit and see if there are worries I can pick up on and stuff just so I can like slowly start to like kind of feel more immersed into it.
Um So more my my strategy now was more passive but still like conscious. That makes sense.
[35:51] Yeah that makes sense. I mean I feel like what I've always been missing in the past like I'm now using ceiling for spanish I don't have much motivation to learn spanish I have to say like not no it's not out yet.
[36:02] Is there seedling for spanish?
[36:06] I'm just testing it but it it will come soon.
But the the funny thing is that I have always wanted to have such thing like it's it's basically maybe let's say the current product is like a mix of like you can see new things like on dueling go but also review them and that's,
that's what I'm mostly doing.
Like I'm actually I'm just like,
I'm just driven by the software let's say you know like I add new things to my reviews and then I review them whenever I have to and then obviously often I don't remember things,
I have to set my reviews back and start from scratch again with some words but it's great because now I feel like I've memorized things, I have not put them into practice.
But once the motivation comes like let's say I meet Francisco soon.
[36:58] Let's hear What would you tell, What would you say if just like.
[37:00] Hola, your Sakari vivo and Albania. Yeah.
[37:06] Vivian, Vivian?
[37:07] Although estas.
[37:10] Debian. Uh yeah I cannot say that that much but I do have like I start like building this passive knowledge.
[37:11] You too!
[37:20] Which is good like for example I only wish I had such thing for polish because in polish I do have a high motivation and I do have lots of,
you know I meet polish in my everyday life because she speaks it fairly often.
So if yeah once I mean I guess there's also like other vocabulary tools for,
polish, but just the way that I can add my own reviews on my own words to the reviews and then review them and,
that's something I would need for polish and then just being in a way I feel like I'm being forced because I have my streak, so it's a good tool, even if it's like a playful tool and it can,
potentially lead to nothing if you just follow your streak and,
I don't know, you know, you know, you never put it into practice.
You learn maybe for, you can learn for a year or more with dual lingo or even ceiling I guess and not be able to speak a sentence because you have just done vocabulary reviews and you can,
press the right answer because you learned it by heart, but then you don't have an ability to phrase the whole sentence.
So I guess it's always like a mix of things you need to do.
[38:36] Yeah and I do like to ask like Gamification and finding ways to make it entertaining, it can't seem like a full time job,
you know because especially if you've already know you have your entire work on top of that there there's something fun about learning a language like I've always just seen just fascinated by everyone else and they're like joy of it.
So there's some sort of like joy or love that I feel is important to be ingrained into into it.
And that can come from whether you apply to like like speaking with a certain person or applying with a place that you really want to go visit or applying it in some sort of way that is close to your heart.
Makes that thing easier to at least keep the intention going for a longer time. So it doesn't just fizzle out in the end.
And that's another good reason why I like being in a different country um because I lived in France, learned french for a little bit, moved back to the U. S.
Forgot all of it. Um So being here in Germany, I'm kind of like in the environment where I'm always gonna be surrounded by german so it makes it so much easier for me to never forget that there's german around me.
[39:44] In terms of resources, you mentioned the reviews on seedling curry and basically what that is is flashcards, right? It's spaced repetition.
And I think that's another Language learning hack I think is too, especially in the beginning, focus,
on vocabulary because if you know the top 2000 3000 words, even if you don't know any grammar, you can almost automatically understand a lot of sentences.
Um, you won't be able to create correct sentences necessarily, but you can already make yourself understood.
So I think vocabulary is huge and spaced repetition.
So flash cards, whether it's an app like settling or there's other apps or in a little book or with little paper cards that you just then always have in your pocket,
and you just do them when you're on the bus, when you're on the subway, when you're in line at the supermarket, you just do, you just review three more words.
It's like, it's the perfect thing that you can do in between and if you make that a habit and you just make a dedication like I won't scroll instagram or twitter, I will just review voll cap whenever I'm in line.
That can make a big difference. I think.
[40:59] Yeah, absolutely. And then yeah, that's for me it's like it's both, it's like I feel like you can have the motivation and the chance to speak every day, but you don't have maybe the discipline,
to you know, learn 2000 words.
But this is where then this these Gamification elements like having a streak um for example can come in and help you, which I think is great because it's like for me, yeah, new still learns with the,
like paper flashcards and that's something it's very cute and I think it's adorable that he does it and he actually uses them in everyday life.
He walks around with him and he even gave me a box and I think you Manuel because he wants us to learn polish which is so sweet and I've started learning with them but it's just something I feel like,
I don't feel like it's, I can do this anymore.
It's like I like I like that, it's just like I have on my kitchen table and I think the secret is being able to do it anywhere. Yeah.
[41:55] Yeah I like I like the haptic feeling but it's just impractical.
Like it's I have them on my kitchen table and I sometimes do them there but it's I think the secret is being able to do it anywhere and you're not gonna unless you're you're not gonna carry them around you know places. So.
[42:09] You know he has them everywhere in the like in the apartment, he has some, he has some in his like backpack and so on.
But yeah, I mean to me these two things is like,
they need to be combined that you have like the option to speak which can be a class which can be a catan in partner which can be,
you can also just practice in everyday life, you need to listen to stuff and then you need to do all these things that are not so much fun.
And if you have like a tool to help you make it become more fun.
It's it helps but it doesn't do the job like you know, you can't just learn a language as manner said just from um just from learning, woke up.
[43:01] A few more Berlin specific resources that I want to mention.
So one, not really Berlin specific but really easy in Berlin is find a tandem partner.
There are there's the tandem app I think. Is there. What's another good way to find a tandem partner?
[43:15] And can you explain what a tandem partner is?
[43:17] It's basically a buddy who is learning your native language and you're learning their native language and you make some kind of deal commitment when I've done it in the past.
Usually it was we meet once per week and we meet for an hour and a half and the 1st 45 minutes we only do German and the other 45 minutes.
We only do Polish for example and then whether you just chat and practice conversation or you work on a grammar book or whatever is kind of up to you like what you want to focus on.
But the point is that it's basically two people teaching each other the language for free and often it also results in friendship.
[44:00] Yeah, and if you're new, it's also great to get to know people, it's like.
[44:04] That is a good one apart from that language schools you're doing of course. Mhm.
[44:05] Yeah, apart from that language schools um you're doing a course at G. L. S which is also an easy german sponsor like seed language should mention for disclosure.
Also you can get the free registration fee if you put easy german in the comment field at L. S.
[44:20] Yes it is a really.
[44:20] It is a really, I mean I should ask you is how have the course has been.
[44:24] I like it, it's been good. Um I really like our teacher um It's fully immersive so they only speak german which I think helps out a lot.
Um It makes me really have to focus and stuff but um I think it's good, I think the setting is just like a nice place and they seem to have all their like stuff together and stuff. I highly recommend it.
[44:45] It's a really nice school. I mean I haven't done a course there, but even just the location is amazing because it's right in back and it's this really nice building and courtyard and stuff like that.
So um obviously we can recommend them if is out of your budget.
Um There are, there's the famous folks who, how would you translate focus? Social?
[45:11] Community college. Yeah, I guess I guess it's kind of like a community college.
[45:12] Oh yeah. I guess I guess it's kind of like a community college. It's like, yeah school for adults that exists everywhere in Germany.
[45:15] It's like a school for everyone that exists everywhere in Germany is like a german concert where yeah.
[45:20] It's like a german concept where it's basically community college. But you can do courses there in anything like they have a ridiculous amount of course is like you can do cooking.
[45:24] The college, but you can do course that's there in anything like they have a ridiculous amount cooking Yo Yeah.
[45:30] Oh yeah that's the community.
[45:33] I don't even know yoga anything.
[45:36] I'm not sure if it's a good place.
Do you know someone who did a course there.
[45:39] That's the thing. I I know several people at least two come to mind who have done courses and had really good experiences.
[45:44] Horses and had Okay. I think it's a little bit hit and miss because Yeah, and on the other people in the class, that's the problem.
[45:46] Um I think it's a little bit hit and miss because um it really depends in the end, it really depends on the teacher I think private and on the other people in the class.
[45:57] I've heard from people that if you have people who go there because they have to, but they don't have really an intention to learn and they slow down the class.
[46:01] Yeah. Yeah.
[46:05] It can be and you really want to learn, it can be like a bad experience, but it is cheap. And if you find a good teacher and have good classmates, it can be amazing.
[46:12] You're right. I think private schools like have like,
an overarching concept for the whole school and they train their teachers to adhere to that concept and they're also really good at splitting up the groups into,
very precise levels so that you're with people who are actually at the same level.
Whereas folks, so Shula is a little bit broader maybe and you might,
be with people of varying levels and I think the teachers kind of just do their thing a little bit, I don't want to do them injustice, but um they have levels.
[46:45] No, they also have levels you register.
[46:49] Yeah. I just think it's probably a little less luxurious.
[46:50] Maybe they don't have super precise placement tests or something like that. You can register for any level and then you're in it.
But do they have, so for example, Gail s I know has like B. 11 and B. One.
[47:03] B 11 and B one I think.
[47:06] I think folks social has that too. Okay. So yeah, I have heard good things about social and so I would say you can give them a chance the building might be not as nice.
[47:06] Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I have heard good things about and so I would say you can give them a chance the building might be.
[47:17] Give folks a schuler a chance. Anything else?
Anything else? We haven't.
[47:23] Um, online, I mean, there's ceiling, there's do lingo. There's easy german. That's what they say.
[47:27] There's easy german. Have we actually spoken about? Easy german?
There is like a podcast you can listen to.
[47:32] Yeah. Most of our listeners come from easy german podcast, but if you don't know, Yeah.
[47:35] I kind of assume that anybody.
Yes, but but maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe this podcast at some point will be.
[47:44] But you guys have some particular videos that are really good for just learning, like, like, like you guys just released the like 100 words that you guys need to know.
Um, so like there's a lot of basic, um, a one type of, um, um, can't that you guys have on the Youtube channel. That's very helpful.
[48:04] That's true. We do have an A one playlist and we're constantly working on it, even though um the Youtube algorithm doesn't want us to do that because if we release super beginner content to our advanced audience.
Hello, if you, if you are one of these people, they, I mean they often don't fully watch it because it's too beginner's level, but it's something that we want to do.
Like it's on, it's one of our goals to have like,
essentially a curriculum and to, to, you know, for someone who learns a one is able to find every topic that you also do in a class.
Maybe you don't, you know, just watch easy german videos, but maybe you do a course and watch them for repetition.
Or maybe at some point we have so many videos that you can actually do a course with our videos. Let's see where this goes.
[49:01] To be continued.