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[0:09] Congratulations on being a legal resident of Germany four years.
[0:15] Looks like you're stuck with me for the next four years, four years buddy, four years.
[0:22] It took a long time. I was listening to our first episode and I'm like, thanks. So what just happened?
[0:22] It took a long time. I was listening to our first episode and I'm like thank someone just happened since then, it seems like it doesn't it?
[0:29] Didn't we just start? It seems like it was like.
[0:33] But it was like we started in like february, right, february or March and that was august Yeah, we're on episode 11, So you got your Visa, do you want to?
[0:37] Yeah, Yeah, we're on episode 11.
So you got your Visa. Do you want to explain why?
[0:47] Yes, yes, but we actually went through a loophole to get my Visa.
[0:49] Because in the one of the first episodes, we went through all of the different types of visas and stuff to get my visa. Oh, interesting.
[0:58] Um So um one of our amazing co workers is a shout out to you is a with the Visa um easy with the Visa.
Um She has helped me so much,
during this process, but essentially, and if you're listening to this um and you do work for a german company, you can actually apply for a Visa online through business immigration services,
um which is kind of different than making your own appointment, you know that and doing it all yourself.
It's something that I would think the government would know advertise a lot more, but they don't such a Berlin Germany thing in my opinion.
Um but essentially what,
she had to do as the company, um she had to create an account,
asked the company and say, hey we have an employee or we have someone,
I'm not wasn't employee technically yet we have someone who we want to hire and bring to Germany and we need to get their Visa approved, so you essentially apply online and you send all of your paperwork through them online.
Um The paperwork process is a little bit tricky and it required us to spend like a lot of time you know like looking at what was required and like editing stuff or whatnot.
But we were able to submit all the paperwork like online um and then not comment at all.
[2:26] Which is not common in Germany, normally you have to send a fax.
[2:31] Yes, yes, just like I said there slowly but surely Berlin is moving towards the technical world now.
Um it's the 21st century, maybe the 22nd century will see a fully integrated system but you know this is better than nothing.
Um so we sent in all the paperwork officially I think like the end of may um and it took them until like two weeks ago to get back to us saying all your paperwork is correct.
[3:00] So we're in august now so you.
Um all your paperwork is correct. Here is your appointment date and time be here. It wasn't me choosing it was.
[3:05] Know it's never like that any any anything the government wants you to like it's not like you pick an appointment, they give you an appointment and you are there.
[3:18] Exactly and thankfully you know I was available to be there and,
so weirdly it was such an easy process like like the actual me going into the building what not one is not the like typical building that they do that type of things, it's like a different building.
Very nice and they have like a certain section for you know business immigration services, there was like no one in there, everyone spoke english.
I literally like just went and sat down.
Um they just asked me for my passport and like um like my biometric photo and then typed in all the information.
They said here's your paper, you're here for four years, you'll get your actual Visa card in the mail in 4 to 6 weeks, pay your fee and there you guys go.
[4:04] And so what's the visa, the type of visa you have? And the reason you were able to get it is because our company.
[4:04] And so what's the Visa? It's a work Visa.
I think it's just like the standard working Visa and the reason is because it's a german company.
[4:16] Is a german company saying we would like to hire this.
[4:18] Yes exactly. Um and it worked, it worked and like I said it was just so surprising that the actual appointment was easier than like everything else like.
[4:19] American resident.
[4:32] Um ISA came with me to the appointment but she didn't need to be there because if I google this.
[4:35] And so why is this a loophole like this sounds like the system working as intended? Why don't uh like.
[4:41] I don't find anything, I googled it and like there was nothing on the way like like nothing on google.
I just like it just takes you to the standard you know process but like I didn't I used to say new loophole because I haven't heard anyone talk about it.
[4:50] Okay, I see.
And can we link to this website then? And so but is this is this what you would call a company sponsoring you?
[4:56] Yeah. Yeah.
[5:04] Is that because I hear that term like if I was applying for.
[5:05] Yes I would say that the company sponsoring me but I mean like,
if I was applying for a work Visa anyways, I could only apply for a work Visa every time I specifically a work Visa, I can only still apply for a work Visa if there's a company here who wants to hire me as it works.
[5:16] A company?
Right? And so I think, I mean basically what you want to have is a company that wants to hire you and it needs to be.
[5:24] Basically what you want to have is a company that wants to hire you and it needs to be a qualified job in the sense that like you have to have had higher education or something.
[5:31] A qualified job in the sense that like you have to have had higher education or something like that, right?
[5:36] Yeah, like you wouldn't get a job at Mcdonald's no no able or willing to do the process with you.
[5:37] It can't be like you wouldn't get a job at Mcdonald's that way.
Even if Mcdonald's was able or willing to do the process with you, I don't know what that work. Do you think.
[5:45] I I have no idea.
I mean I wouldn't probably generally move to Berlin for that type of job, but I think it still has to quote like the process is still the same as if you were to apply for a Visa.
The typical way of going on their website and trying to find your own appointment yourself because there's still qualifications yourself to me. I think it's generally the same.
Um don't quote me on this. Um but it's worth looking into,
um if you are somebody who has gotten a job like um exception or like some company does want to hire you or whatnot.
Um but it's technically them doing it for you, which I think that's the difference.
[6:29] Yeah, that's the big difference. And that's why it's like a, a more like a better experience because they're actually the customers, the german companies that are, that are like saying, hey, we need qualified people.
There aren't enough workers in Germany, which is a huge topic, even like on the political agenda, it's just like the german industry is like suffering for qualified workers.
And so there's probably a lot of pressure to have at least that part of the immigration system run smoothly and effectively.
[7:00] Mhm. Exactly. I think also just post covid I think it makes much more sense.
Um But I just finding a loophole because like,
the typical process of going on to the website and checking morning tonight trying to find your appointment,
is similar to it's like the same type of thing if you already have like we're only talking about if you already have a job here,
um then I'm like if you already have a job here then why don't they just encourage you to just say hey talk to your company,
and then go to this part of the website instead?
[7:34] Because I think technically speaking, you can't already have a job. You can only have a possible employer who wants to hire you.
[7:40] Yes, that's the same.
That's the same standards though for if you're just doing it yourself too, like you can't be working, you can't work without a Visa. The whole thing is applying for the Visa.
[7:44] That's what you mean. Right. Right, so you can work here. Yeah, yeah, a little bit of a catch 22.
[7:54] So yeah so like I would just recommend, I would just recommend um anyone to like try to just look on that side of things.
Like say I don't know the specific details of like why that's not more of a conversation. I don't know how new of that process that is or what not, but it worked for us.
Like it was still it still took a lot of time. Like we applied in May and not really get back.
They didn't hear, we didn't really hear back from them until like august so it's still like took those three months and stuff like that.
[8:28] Yeah but that's fast for german bureaucracy.
[8:29] Yeah and I think because we're also a company doing this, you know it's urgent, you know we need this person to work for us or whatnot.
[8:33] Yeah. Yeah so yeah.
[8:38] Um So yep that's your tip right there and like I said they approved me for four years so.
[8:43] So we'll talk about jobs more later on but uh I want to know what happens after those four years I guess you can renew it.
[8:51] I guess you can renew it you know like the four years is just so that you don't because I think if you quit your job you can still stay right?
[8:53] Yeah I think so too. I think it like the four years is just so that you don't because I think like if you quit your job you can then still stay right like it's valid no matter what you can find another job.
[9:03] Yeah you can find another job but if yeah if you don't do anything then after four years you have to leave or.
[9:06] But if yeah if you don't do anything then after four years you have to leave or go through the same process again.
[9:14] Yeah I mean I think it's anything with like any visa permit you have a certain time you have to read like renew your visa permit.
[9:15] I mean I think it's anything with any visa permit, you have a certain time you have to leave.
[9:22] Yeah we just essentially what.
[9:22] Yeah there are unlimited visas that aren't citizens that are short of citizenship but are like okay you can stay here forever.
[9:31] If I decided to stay in Berlin or Germany for a longer time, that's essentially what I would like to do because yeah because right now I mean Germany does not allow dual citizenship.
[9:35] So what you're aiming for right.
[9:44] Um which is such an interesting thing and I'm not giving up my american citizenship.
[9:45] Now. No sir.
[9:48] Um Not for sorry not sorry but not for Germany.
[9:53] Really, what's what's better about the American citizenship than the German 1? It's an identity thing.
[9:54] I mean I'm I'm american you know like at the end of day I am,
yeah it is, I mean my family lives in America like I want to always be able to go back to America,
you know one day I will probably live in America again, I know that for sure um like I like Berlin but I'm not saying I don't like like I didn't come here for Germany I came here for Berlin.
[10:11] Not that much. I see.
Yeah that makes sense. The dual citizenship thing is something we should probably do an episode about because you're right like by default you if you take.
[10:17] Um Plus like I would love dual citizenship.
[10:30] Obtain gained german citizenship you have to give up your other citizenship except and then there's a million exceptions.
Not a million. There's some exceptions like if your home country doesn't allow you to give up your citizenship, like some countries just flat out say look you,
like it or not, you're staying a citizen because you can you can tear up your for example you can you can tear up your passport but you're still a citizen and so then you can keep them.
[10:49] Martinez like that correct? You're still citizen,
which more ELISA okay, that's a trick.
Well that's a big question. You know what is a nation anyway and stuff. But anyway. Yeah that's a good topic for another time.
[11:03] But anyway, yeah, that's a good topic for another time, you mentioned that you wanted to talk about.
[11:06] You mentioned that you wanted to talk about hope and optimism.
Hope And Optimism
[11:11] Yeah, so I was listening to our the first podcast that we ever did and I was filled with so much hope and so much optimism and you know like during my time here.
[11:18] Now you're just a grumpy old.
[11:22] Which there are so many memes about that, like I'm actually not alone and that like I was showing my wildest meme of like tourists in Berlin super happy, super great, this citizens Berlin just very crappy.
[11:36] And like yes, I think I definitely experienced that,
part of things, but I think always other than the day is still good to be,
optimistic because like I got my visa, I got it, you know, so obviously it worked, it may have not worked the way that I expected it to, which,
Manuel also foreshadowed in the first episode um in around five minutes and 30 seconds,
um but like I think it's just very important, like,
I did lose hope and optimism, like a certain time, I was like everything was just wrong,
like this is how it should be or what not and granted, no nothing was as it should have been quote unquote based off of my expectations, but I think it's still valid, you know, to not lose yourself and.
[12:22] In the Music.
[12:23] Yeah and not lose yourself in the challenges that arise, you know, obstacles are not necessarily indicators that you're doing something wrong and that you should be turning away from things, obstacles mean that you're trying and that you know that things are going away.
They do, you know the mountain is nothing about the climb, you know, so it does get challenging, it does get hard, but like it was a goal of mine.
So like I don't think I'll be doing myself a service by you know, quitting on that goal especially I still haven't even been here for four months yet, you know, like I'm technically just unlike three.
[13:02] Exchange student territory just like a six months, you know exchange experience even Yeah.
[13:02] Yeah, it exactly, exactly.
So it's like if you're listening, whenever you're listening to this, if you are in Berlin and you're struggling or whatnot.
No, that one, you're not alone. Like everybody guys gone through that.
I have heard that from every single person, that it's not like a singular experience and then to you don't do yourself any favors by being pessimistic. I think that's also the thing too.
It's like you can be pessimistic but you're not going to the universe is not going to justify why you should have everything if you just, you know,
continue to be grumpy plus also it's like why let experiences do that to you, You know like why let things drag you down.
Um it's very challenging and it's very hard and I think you should, you know, show yourself compassion,
and validate that you're going through some troubling times, but also,
know that everyone goes through troubling times and it's not an indicator that things are going wrong, it's just an indicator that you are doing your best and that things are working out in your favor at the end of the day.
[14:17] This basically answers the question that we got from,
Daniela who's 30 and from Mexico City and she wrote a very long and sweet email and really shares your feeling of,
Berlin has just always called her name like she was here once and she just, even though she's not into clubbing or any of the things Berlin is known for really feels like this is her place, but,
a lot of reasons have kept her from pursuing that dream and coming here and then she,
rights that I want to return but I'm terrified about it.
I don't even know where to begin. All I have right now is my love for the city and literally nothing else.
Meanwhile depression keeps me apathetic and demotivated a good chunk of the time, while anxiety keeps me preoccupied with all the ways that I might fail,
and keeps my head filled with excuses of why I should stay in Mexico j you sound like a fearless person, but have you ever had to deal with these thoughts,
if if you do, how do you fight them or at least tame them enough so you can manage to move abroad.
[15:26] I was literally in the hospital, like I deal with fear,
all the time and I think there's a medical, I don't know who to buy but um it summarizes by like courage isn't fearlessness, courage is being scared in doing it anyways.
Um and that's kind of like what I live by, like I'm terrified all the time having, I have general anxiety disorder. That's literally what I was diagnosed with.
Um it's always challenging and it's always terrifying, you know, to especially if you don't know what's going to happen and especially,
if you have expectations and then they don't meet expectations even more scary because you're just like what the hell is happening, why is everything going wrong?
What did I do wrong? You know, you have all these thoughts and all of these like like like just just like fearful, just energy all around you, you know?
Um I think the biggest thing is to show yourself compassion and also just you know,
like when I say show yourself compassion, it's like if your friend was going through this, what would you tell them?
You know, you will understand, you know that there knew that,
things are are there novice to it all, You know that that things are challenging but they're doing anyways and you have to show yourself that same compassion and you have to.
[16:49] Be patient with yourself and be patient with the environment that you're in.
You know if you're terrified of going that's okay.
You know, everyone is terrified, you know, like I might seem optimistic, you know, in the audio recording, but that's because I just don't want to listen back on myself and hear the negative per person.
But like I am always terrified, you know.
[17:13] And I think like there's something to be said about optimism for sure, but I think,
there's also the other side which I guess is kind of stoicism or actively imagining like following that fear through, like looking at it in the eye and following it through to its,
like like basically saying okay, so if that actually happens, let me,
paint that picture and then if like going through all the steps of everything that could go wrong,
to the logical conclusion of okay, like I'm completely broke, I'm homeless and whatever and kind of putting yourself in that,
like living that experience in your head or some famous cysts have you know, gone through the trouble of actually,
living in poverty for a while to actually experience because then you can come out of it and kind of realize while that is obviously you know terrible, it's like,
I've survived it, like I'm still here and it's actually not the end of the world, like it might be a painful experience but,
you can survive it and knowing that even if you fall really low, which you likely will never fall that low as your fears would tell you that you would still be okay.
And I think that's also like a good process to go through sometimes.
[18:31] That's one of my biggest affirmations is everything is and forever will be okay sometimes, like when you're in the storm, it doesn't seem like it, but you always get out of the storm, the storm doesn't last forever.
[18:37] Like when you're in the storm it doesn't seem like it, but you always get out of the storm, the storm doesn't last forever.
[18:43] And like in my case, the worst that could always happen was that I just go back to the U. S.
[18:44] And like in my case the worst that could always happen was I just go back to the U. SS.
[18:50] Which isn't necessarily the worst that could happen because I'll be going back to my family, I'll be going back to like saving money, I'll be going back to like people that I know, you know, so like, it's like, it wasn't that that that that bad, you know?
Um and I think it's just important to I think like, except you know, that you will experience obstacles and I'm not here to tell you that everything's gonna be all good, you might some of your worst fears might come into play.
Like my worst fear was that I would not have my Visa before.
You know, my technical three months here and all of my fears, I have been confronted with them, but I'm also here talking to you about those fears that have happened in the past.
So obviously I got through it, you know, I think you mentioned is the stoicism is really good point.
Um basically stoicism can be defined in one phrase is the obstacle is the way, you know, which is actually a book by James holiday.
Um if you guys want to look into that Ryan Holiday, that's his name.
[19:52] Isn't it Ryan Holiday I got the last name um.
[19:55] I got the last name right. Um but essentially, you know, yeah, you are going to face challenges and stuff. But sometimes, you know, sometimes I do ask my question, the question is it worth it?
Is it not some, I don't know the answer to that to be fair, but I'm doing it and I'm here and you know, I might as well just keep going with it because the thing is, I think,
also realizing is that there is no easy way out, no matter where you are, you could even think that going back home is the easiest way, but home also deemed some challenges maybe just different challenges, but there's still challenges nonetheless.
[20:35] So if you're going to be facing challenges, why not face challenges in the place where you actually really want to go and you really want to enjoy and stuff, you know? Yeah, and party.
Um, so yeah, I would say, um, try it out and just see and know that once again, like if things don't work out, you can always go back home.
Um, but if you do face challenges when you're not alone too, you'll get through it three, you'll figure it out.
Um, it won't be easy and I don't want anyone to think it's going to be easy.
Like I think that's just toxic positivity, you know, like say you won't have any problems, but know that if you do have problems, you can always go, you always get through them.
You're not alone. Other people have had the same problems and that you'll always feel, I think more proud of yourself at the end of it.
You know, once crossing that bridge, I've never regretted going through a problem, especially once I've crossed the temporary finish line.
And so I'm like, damn, yeah, I went through that.
[21:38] Final quote that I want to mention is attributed to Mark Twain, but probably wasn't said by him.
Um but it's a great quote. I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened.
[21:52] I love that quote. I've heard that one before to a lot of your fears just exists in your head, you know?
[21:57] Um most of the scariest things don't actually end up happening if they do like it. It's not as severe as it might be. Like my whole mental health episode.
[21:59] And might be like it was really like bad, but it wasn't that, you know, I'm still here, you're still here.
[22:06] It was pretty like bad, but it wasn't that bad.
You know, I'm still here. I'm still smiling. I'm thriving, you know, um, still got to find a house, but you know, one problem at a time.
[22:12] That's that's what counts still driving.
How Jae Found His Job At Easy Languages
[22:20] So let's talk about finding a job. I mean you found the job before you came here.
[22:20] So let's talk about finding a job. I mean you found the job before you came here.
You want to give a quick explanation your job?
[22:27] Do you want to give a quick explanation of your job and how you found it?
[22:31] Yeah. So I work for Easy Languages.
Um, which if you know, easy Germany's languages like the overall like umbrella that yeah, it's a parent company.
Um, and I am a partner partners manager. So essentially we have a lot of different teams.
Um, and my goal or my task essentially to help manage these teams, help support these teams, help develop great systems and you know, be the person they can like look to if they have any questions or whatnot.
And essentially just be a strong support system.
Um, so the way that I found Easy Languages, Easy german specifically, I don't know, I was not a fan, like I did not know easy german, it was horrible.
[23:16] Not a fan. I actually hated it. I mean, I actively hated it.
I didn't really know you initially.
[23:21] I didn't really know anything about easy german to be fair. Um, I, everyone asked me how I found the job and like, I don't know specifically how I found the job posting forward.
Um yes, but I don't know how I found.
[23:34] Applied for a different position,
and then we interview you and kind of kept you in the pipeline, as they say.
[23:41] Yes, yes, but I still don't know how I found that.
[23:44] The original position. Yeah.
[23:45] Like like that that posting, yeah, um but essentially the original position was for video editing for easy german which now like I don't know like how would have even,
done that, I don't speak german at all, I can't do that, it went to chris which he is a great, great, great editor,
um but some way somehow I used the magical source of google and I found the job posting,
and I made like a little like video like interview or whatnot um didn't get the position but that was okay, I spoke to Carrie and I spoke to you like I remember because I,
was like you should talk to Manuel that you guys would get along really well, here we are a few years later.
[24:23] Here we are a few years later, you know? But then um, I was patient. You know, I moved back to Texas.
[24:26] You know, but then um I was patient you know I moved back to Texas, so also one thing, I will also say that things don't happen overnight.
[24:32] So also one thing I will also say that things don't happen overnight. You made a good point earlier that what was it?
[24:35] You made a good point earlier that what was it the whole 10 years like um becoming a millionaire.
[24:39] 10 years? Oh, this quote like um Becoming a millionaire overnight takes 10 years.
[24:45] Yes, okay, so that's kind of the same thing with,
this whole Berlin thing um I was in,
the UK at the time trying to find my way to get to Berlin and I remember I applied for this, the editing position in february of 2021 right, so I didn't get it, so in May of 2021 I went back to texas.
Um end up moving to Austin. I got a job there and then I didn't really like my job.
So then randomly Um Carrie had reached out to me in November of 2021 saying, Hey we have this new job position, are you interested in taking it or whatnot?
Did the application process two months later, starting in January 2022, I started working with easy languages.
Four months later or three months later. In April I end up moving to Berlin so if you see my timeline, it was all spaced out and it took time, you know?
[25:37] Yeah I would I would yes but really already aren't we starting at 5:00 PM then I think we need to take a break.
[25:38] But it happened.
[25:42] We have our next guest waiting already uh.
[25:50] To be continued.
[26:19] And we're back. Quick intermission of three days.
Um so what happened was that I had forgotten that I was scheduled to record another.
[26:24] We're in the future now that I was scheduled to record another podcast episode for another podcast.
[26:32] Another podcast episode for another podcast, which you may or may not know about.
And so we had to kind of take a break.
[26:39] And we had to kind of take a break and we're continuing our conversation now for you guys. It's literally just been one second for us though, it's been three days.
[26:43] And we're continuing our conversation now for you guys, it's literally just been one second.
I love how funny you find this idea of editing.
Okay, Yes, we're back and we're talking about jobs because I think we talked about optimism and stuff.
[26:58] Yes, we're back and we're talking about jobs because I think we talked about optimism and stuff.
[27:05] See this is how bad my memory is that I already forgot what happened.
[27:07] First part is about optimism and hope, and now we're talking about jobs and like actually being able to get here and there's three categories of jobs.
[27:17] Right, I thought we could kind of split this conversation into kind of three different sections starting with what I call the gig economy, I'm pretty sure I'm using that term wrong.
Gig Economy Jobs
[27:31] Um I think that term kind of originated with like Uber and stuff where people,
do something and they're paid not on an hourly basis or on us on like with a salary, but based on gigs, right, the amount of rights they deliver or whatever.
And I basically mean those kinds of jobs, whether or not they're paid that way.
Exactly like what I have in mind is all of these people who basically deliver things in Berlin like it's crazy what you can get delivered these days in Berlin like essentially everything.
So restaurants, restaurants, obviously cafes deliver with shops, um drugs like you can get,
like there's like pharmaceuticals, yeah, pharmaceuticals, drugs probably too, but I think it's, I don't know if there's an official app for it.
[28:18] Pharmaceuticals, guys, I mean, Yeah, yeah.
Okay. But yeah. And then I even saw like these ads for an app where you can get.
[28:27] But yeah, and then I even saw like these ads for an app where you can get,
Kind of luxury goods like Apple products and jewelry and stuff delivered within 15 minutes.
[28:33] Kind of luxury goods, like Apple products and jewelry and stuff delivered within 15 minutes. You know, if the mood strikes you.
[28:40] You know if the mood strikes you and you're in the mood for a new iPhone, you can have it.
[28:44] There is nothing you can't get.
[28:45] Within 15 minutes and someone who's severely underpaid will bring it on a bicycle, that's my impression of that kind of realm,
and that's as much as I know about it really.
I kind of hope we can do an episode with some people who are doing those kinds of jobs, so who are delivering for void or leave Fernando or any of those companies to kind of hear how it's going.
I hear a lot of really bad things about some of those companies um gorillas which is uh delivering groceries has been in the news a lot for kind of treating people unfairly and stuff.
Um Yes and I think the other one was the other one called um flink I think is a little bit better probably.
But yeah I kind of want to hear some first person accounts I guess cleaning is also I would also put cleaning in this category.
Obviously you can be like an actual full time cleaner probably with a salary and a job but I think the more common case these days is either to do it,
kind of illegally without paying taxes or as part of the gig economy where someone books you through an app or through a website and then you show up and get paid for that one gig.
[30:12] It's also like, babysitting can technically be a dog sitting. Could be a type of.
[30:12] Yeah those are like the old school gig economy things.
[30:17] Yeah. They still work though. Like I thought about that. I'm like why am I a dog sitter?
Yeah and I don't think it's black and white. I mean I really think if you just arrived at a place and you just need to make money fast one way or the other.
[30:23] Like I could totally do that and I don't think I really think if you just you just need to make money, you know?
[30:34] You know it can be a good option. I just really always feel a little bit like people are probably being taken advantage of.
[30:36] Yeah. Yeah.
People are probably being taken 100%. 100%.
I mean people unfortunately we live in a world where people are taking advantage of, but it's like what you say, if you need it, you kind of do what you have to do.
Like in L. A. If you want to be a filmmaker, you're doing a lot of free internships or a lot of underpaid P. A. Positions in order to get what you want.
Which is also a option of the gig economy doing.
It's like being an assistant somewhere being a P. A. If you want to do film um if you want to do photography or whatnot, you can also find people who are looking for extra hands and stuff like that. That's technically gig economy.
[31:21] Yeah, I think now we're maybe transitioning into the next category. I just wanted to say if anyone's listening who is doing any of these jobs, I would love for you too.
Kind of pay us a visit on the show and tell us about your experience because I really feel like I don't know enough, I want to learn more. I want to learn what it's like doing those jobs and do people tip.
For example, like I, whenever I use one of those services, which obviously I do, it's just so convenient, but I always try to be a good tipper to alleviate my guilty conscience and hope that then in the end it's worth it.
But I just, I hear that many people don't give anything.
So I just want to hear kind of what it's like,
the next section category would be like freelance slash entrepreneurs, anything where,
[32:14] you're not fully employed, you don't get a contract with 40 weekly hours and a salary, but where you're kind of doing a job here and there and being paid based on those jobs.
So that's basically what you're saying, those, those jobs would usually be either freelance.
[32:28] Technically, yeah.
[32:33] Or freelance, I guess, I guess the difference between freelance and entrepreneur is really important freelance would be you looking for jobs, individual jobs that people give you that you do and entrepreneurs obviously you building your own thing business.
So they're very different in that way, but I put them in the same bucket because there basically you having some skill or talent and trying to monetize it.
[32:58] Mhm. Yes, which actually in Berlin is not really hard to get a Visa as a freelancer.
[33:04] Right, the famous freelance visa, we did touch about that in the beginning.
[33:05] Um Yes, yes, and particularly, or more specifically the freelance artist visa.
Um the freelance artist Visa is a visa that you can technically get, like if you're able to, if you're lucky enough to get an actual appointment at the austin behalf that was close.
Uh if you're able to get an appointment there um and you're an artist, you can actually get your visa approved that appointment day.
[33:27] You're able to get an appointment there. I mean, you're an artist, you can actually get your visa approved that, right?
And then you're able to work on a freelance basis.
[33:39] Work on a freelance basis,
[33:43] Doing artistic things, really, I'm sure there's some more specific rules.
[33:44] Yeah, whatever you call art, art walking dogs can be art if you want it to be, there's an art o yeah,
but yes, the freelance pathway is a good pathway if you do have a certain skill that is high in demand here or whatnot.
Um It's also important, you know, to make sure that um you are able to,
find the right people to, are going to want to pay for a freelancer or whatnot, which I think um if you're given like the general quality skills, skills, like, let's say marketing, design,
photography arts, or I mean even business finances,
but not, it's not that difficult to find jobs, There's a lot of,
online job portals who are looking for freelancers or contractors is another term to use there, so I would just encourage you to use your best friend google and find some opportunities there.
Um It's very common thing for jobs to not want to hire somebody, but just want to actually have someone that I can just have on like a contracting basis.
[34:50] Yeah, depending on the area especially, you know, designers and stuff.
And apart from google, I think the most important thing is getting to know a lot of people because most people who need a designer, they don't necessarily post an ad, They ask someone, hey, do you know, get a designer.
And so yeah, I think a lot of freelancers or entrepreneurs who are, who haven't quite,
built a business that is sustaining them completely,
do some kind of mix where they find a job in retail or in a bar or whatever for two days of the week, three days of the week and then do the thing that they,
really want to pursue on the other days and I think it's a good model.
Honestly, I knew a lot of um kind of artists and actors in my old job who worked,
In the Apple store for two or 3 days a week to pay the rent whether or not they have gigs and then to the, to the other stuff.
[35:53] Yeah, it's a good model, especially as it can be very stressful trying to just be a freelancer, like I I have friends who are on the freelance basis, and,
the thing with freelancing is you can have really great months, but you can also have really dead months as well, and,
it can be very unpredictable, you know, So unless you don't,
unless you have savings or whatnot, you know, it is kind of good to have some sort of steadiness and between that if you're able to, you know, obviously is not always easy, but if you can.
[36:27] The other part that maybe is a little specific to Germany, is that having some kind of employment, which is the third,
[36:37] Bucket, obviously like a full time employment job in Germany is defined as 40 hours a week, so 58 hour days.
Um, but if you are employed even as little as I think 16 hours or maybe even less, then,
your health insurance and kind of taxes go through that employment, and that's one of the big downsides of being just a freelancer, for example, is that you will have to pay for your own health insurance.
And while everybody in Germany, asterix, almost everybody has health insurance, it's not free, it's just that we have a system where everybody pays it and when you employed,
the employer pays the other half and if you are freelance or self employed and you.
[37:25] You have to pay all of it yourself, it is very, very expensive.
And so having a small piece of the puzzle where you just have a job where you're employed, then that takes away all of that because you know, your health insurance goes through your employer.
I'm really bad at explaining this, I'm just saying this model where you take some kind of job, even if it's not your dream job for two days of the week,
kind of can alleviate a lot of the stress in terms of what do you do on a bad in a bad month and what do you do about health insurance and stuff.
[38:02] Can you talk a little bit more about this whole taking a job that may not be your dream job?
Because especially like when I like a few years ago, I mean just like when I moved back to America, I struggle with that because I'm like, if I have a job I wanted to be the perfect job for myself.
I end up selling with a job that was not my dream job, but it did pay the bills and I can imagine that some people struggle with that.
You know, there's a little bit of a pride thing there too of like, well I don't want to take a job that is not anything in line with what I want to do, but sometimes in terms of health insurance, there's some pros and cons that you have to weigh.
[38:37] Right. I think, I mean there's probably always a little bit of compromise involved no matter what.
And at least I personally think,
it is a better compromise to do something that is okay that pays the rent and pays the health insurance for some time and then have the rest of the time,
free for you to really dedicate yourself to your dream and to your goal and to what you want to achieve rather than settling on something full time.
That is maybe better than that retail job. But it's also not your dream.
You know, I I respect the people who are pursuing their dream and doing anything they need to do to make that happen rather than saying, look, I can live comfortably with this job and it's not too hard,
and you know, I can just do that and watch Tv at night.
You know what I mean? So I think that retail job, it's not you giving up on your dream. It's the opposite. It's you doing what you have to do to pursue your dream.
[39:42] Yes, exactly. And I mean, every we're talking about artists in particular.
Every artist has that story, you know, doing the waitress job for, like you said, two or three days and then doing your own stuff, like on on the side, it's a it's just necessary, you know, but it's also about how you perceive it as well.
You know, if you perceive it as this is something helping me versus I'm doing something that will make the entire experience much different.
[40:08] Right. And also, I think it can, you know, I'm, I'm banging on this retail example. Obviously there's many other things you could do and retail for some people might be their dream. Like I'm just giving it as an example because I'm familiar with it.
Um, but there's a lot of things you can actually learn there and if you are otherwise dedicated to be whatever a painter, right?
And you're by yourself painting images, it's just a completely different world and it can only kind of,
enhance your worldview and broaden your perspective to also,
do those things or if you're a writer, you know, you need to live life, I don't know, it's just, I think doing those kinds of things is, is something you should view very positively and not, not,
not as a compromise that you shouldn't be doing.
[40:57] Yes, you're not compromising on your dreams, folks, just doing what you gotta do to make it happen.
[40:58] You're not compromising on your dreams folks.
[41:02] One thing that you should probably be aware of if you're taking a job in Germany and it's like a salaried job is, and I remember you being surprised with this is that um.
[41:02] One thing that you should probably be aware of if you're taking a job in Germany and it's like a salaried job is,
Tax Deductions And Health Insurance
[41:10] and I remember you being surprised of this is that, um, we do pay a lot of taxes and other things like health insurance.
[41:14] We do pay a lot of taxes and other things.
[41:19] And so if you get a job offer in Germany, we can link to a website called,
and it's, it's a essentially a calculator where you can put in all of the information, your salary, your, um, your birthday, your classes.
So like if you're not married, like your default class a is number one, which you pay a lot of tax are you a member of the church or not because we have church tax in Germany,
Which german state you live in all of this stuff, You put it all in and then it tells you exactly what your net income will be like.
What will be the amount of money that will actually land on your bank account? And this is, I think important to know, so you don't get a shock.
And also so you can know how much rent you can actually afford and all of those.
[42:11] Very important I didn't do that just but I'm grateful but yeah I definitely definitely recommend you know just being as transparent as you can with your own self you know and doing that so you're not surprised granted like I said.
But the pros is you do get a lot of benefits as well from it. Like you're not just they're not just taking money out of your account is going nowhere. You know you do see that money and isn't like at the end of the year don't you guys have like tax returns and stuff like that?
[42:39] Right, you have to do your taxes um by april I think officially or september is like the last deadline for the previous year and if you are,
only employed, like if you just have a regular job and you're employed then usually you will get money back.
Um So kind of depending on how many expenses you had related to your job like,
um going to and from work for example and then obviously things like donations and stuff like this, all of all these things you can deduct from your work, I think that's the same in most countries and then based on all of that you will get anywhere,
between a few dozen and a few €100 back. And that's usually a nice surprise.
So so should we quickly talk about how to find a job?
[43:23] Yes, we love Germany, should we quickly talk about how to find a job?
How To (Actually) Find A Job
[43:30] I mean it's impossible to answer this that I don't know if it even makes sense to talk about it.
[43:30] I mean I mean it still does, I mean I'll give you the answer that I gave myself is google it.
Um There's a lot of different methods of finding a job.
I still don't remember how I found easy languages particularly, but I do think google played a big part into that.
Um I think it's important to take initiative to finding things.
I mean you have google, you have linkedin, you have um there's a website called going Global G. O. I. N. Global dot com.
That's like for like internationally it shows you like a lot of different um I think that's the website's name. Can you check for me?
Um It shows you like all of the all like the job opportunities abroad that you can like look at.
Um One of my friends said that um So he decided he visited, he started visiting Berlin maybe three weeks three months ago and only this month he decided that he wanted to like actually stay here.
So for the past two weeks he was just like he told himself he's going to apply for five or 10 jobs,
a day, just throw his resume out there and just see um and I think that is very helpful um you know doing what you can to just throw it out there and see what sticks.
[44:55] Go in global with NOG at the, well I guess it's going global, but it's all mixed in one word will link it in the show notes, um,
linkedin you mentioned linkedin, linkedin is huge in Germany, so yeah, you should probably, if you're looking for some kind of full time job, probably have a profile.
They're probably look for job offers there.
Um Berlin specific. There is a newsletter called and that stands for work Love Home.
So it's three different newsletters. You can subscribe to just one or all three of them.
And the work letter is just um job postings, that's actually how they make their money.
The other ones are basically free. Like if you have um a flat share you want to offer, like that's free. But if you want to post a job as a company have to pay.
And I think those kind of smaller circles, whether it's this newsletter or groups, I know you've had success with facebook groups in many areas of your life.
I think it's good to like be present in those and keep an eye out because some jobs might appear there that don't appear on indeed or linkedin or those kind of bigger things.
And then obviously everybody knows this, but it is important to say is that most jobs.
[46:20] I think someone did like some research, uh I don't remember the exact exact number, but I think like 70% of all jobs never even get posted online ever because they just,
through through connections.
[46:32] Through people through networking is important networking networking because it sounds like a like a business. Yeah I think it's just connecting.
[46:34] It's really networking.
I hate that term networking because it sounds like a task like that, right?
Like I think it's just I think if connecting and having a posture of,
being in the world right and being helpful and sharing your knowledge and sharing your connections,
if you kind of talk to people and get to know people and tell them what you know and offer to help them and you are in any way, shape or form, resourceful.
That can lead to a job like it. I've seen it happen many times where someone just you know, became part of some company or project because they were just helpful in the beginning and then it just worked out that way.
[47:21] Yes. The best advice that I always try to get myself and other people is very scary and daunting, but it's you gotta put yourself out there.
You got to your if you're that person who stands in the corner and wait for the world to come to you, you might be very disappointed because someone like you said that they're going to go to someone else.
That they know where they're going to have a connection with it and you you have no connections, then it's like how do you build that up?
You know the way that I am here these languages? Because I put myself out there, I applied for the easy german position, didn't get it, but I make a connection with you guys and then a few months later, you know, it all came back around.
Um it's very important I think to you know, keep in contact with people. Don't burn bridges.
Um make sure that you are keeping up these human to human connections. Yes, everything can be online, but nothing beats a human human interaction. Nothing does.
[48:15] And I'm really a fan of this phrase that you said putting yourself out there because the beautiful thing of the internet I think is that,
it makes it possible for you to put yourself out there even if you're an introvert for example and you don't want to be on the stage or at a cocktail party talking to everybody, you can start a block,
you can start a podcast, you can have a twitter account and share resourceful things or Tiktok account whatever, but like trying to be resourceful and offering something to the world,
you know, I love these stories where um,
some of them might might also be apocryphal, but like I think there was a guy once who basically thought that the american airlines website was so horrific that he just designed a completely new one,
and like gave it to them, he was like here, I made this like you should use this, it's much better and I don't know if they even ended up using it or ended up hiring him, but I just think that that's such a great thing to do if you are young and you have the time,
and the skill and the talent, just whatever bothers you in the world, whatever you see that could be better, just make it better and like give it to the world as a gift and that will lead to so many opportunities in the future.
[49:34] Yes, you can only be rewarded for helping. You know, you can only be rewarded for giving um The best question.
Like, aside from what I was just about, you know, starting your own dog or whatnot. If if if you're asking how can I put myself out there? Ask yourself the question, how can I help?
You will find that answer and then just try to help that way.
But like, I just think, I don't know, I'm just a person, I don't want to die with any regrets.
So it's like, I would rather deal with the fear of exposing myself or put myself out there than not trying at all.
And like that's just the thing I can give everybody. Just just try.
Just try apply for your jobs, do your gigs, do your freelancing. Just try and eventually I can give you the timeline, but eventually it will stick.