- Jae Creates a Vibe Radio (Soundcloud)
- GLS Bank
- Vagabonding: An Uncommon Guide to the Art of Long-Term World Travel (Goodreads)
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[0:09] I decided to make um I was telling Manuel about, I wanted to make a podcast.
Originally was going to be caught, jay creates the podcast podcast, but a few years ago I had made like,
a podcast, but it was more like a radio show where I would play music and just talk about it and play music and talk about or whatnot.
And I kind of stopped doing it. I only did it for like two episodes, but like I decided like I kind of really want to bring that back.
So I decided like yesterday that I was going to do, it's called J create survive radio.
Um and I did episode one where like I play some music, talked about and play some music, talked about it.
Um I could only really uploaded to SoundCloud just because I'm like, I'm playing actual music, you know, So um,
that was probably the easiest way, but I am trying to use anchor FM to see because they have a future where you can actually play music do Spotify on it.
Um but as we already talked about Manuel um anchor is not the best app in software.
[1:12] Anchor sucks.
[1:13] And you know, like they said that it was published, but if you look on Spotify, like nothing comes up. So I don't know.
Um yeah, so check it out on SoundCloud. J create survive radio.
Um already have episode one up there.
Um yeah, and then there's an uninterrupted version two.
[1:33] So basically Like seven episodes into this podcast, you've already created a new podcast.
[1:40] Yes, we'll see. No, I wouldn't even call it a podcast, it's not a podcast, it's a radio show.
[1:44] It's a radio show.
[1:45] Like, like I kind of want to get away from the popular, like, I'm trying to make my own world here.
Um and like, I think jay creates the world, you know?
[1:51] Of course you do, of course you're making your own work.
[1:56] Um but like, I I think this is like my, my way of doing that plus it's like something I really love.
Like, I love music, so I'm just doing exactly what I like to do, like, on my own time. And you know, like, I'm not expecting anybody to listen to this, this is more for my own enjoyment.
But I did it and I think that was just the biggest thing that I wanted to, I just wanted to do something that I I was excited about. I'm passionate about. So my goal is to be um consistent with it.
Um so we'll see how that goes, but I'm pretty confident like doing this podcast and stuff has definitely given me like the encouragement and like the, the drive to do more.
[2:36] You realized, hey, this, this podcasting stuff, it's easy. All I have to do is talk and then people listen to it.
[2:44] Yes. Honestly podcast is the wave, like, like, I just think the idea of like, just doing audio because I mean, we're in such a world where video, video, video, video, yeah.
Video is great, videos grabbing, like we work in a video production company, but like, personally for me and like, it only being me is very hard, at least in my life to kind of manage all of that.
You got a record, set it up, add it all type of stuff better witness just with audio, you literally set up your mic record and that's it.
[3:17] Pretty much Plus plus mine plus and minus some some things you want to do, like edited, for example, make sure it sounds good.
But yeah, that makes me happy that um this podcast has inspired you to do more. And honestly I agree. Like I always feel like, I mean I've said this many times in the past. I feel like everybody should have a podcast really.
Even if you know you have a small audience maybe like if you have something to say, record a podcast, it's much easier than to become a writer for example, because not everybody knows how to write necessarily, but everybody knows how to talk and how to tell a story,
and it's a great medium and you can listen so much more than you can even watch videos.
So the capacity is also higher.
Follow-Up: Gls Bank
[4:00] Speaking of which we um we have some listeners already.
First of all, thank you to those of you who immediately sent me an email when I accidentally published only half of,
the last episode, if you listened to the last episode and wondered, hey, why does this stop in the middle of the conversation.
Um that's because we were traveling and we were in a place with very, very bad internet and somehow I managed to upload half of the episode and publish it.
I didn't even know this was technically possible, but somehow it published like half of the Mp three and it went into the feet and then some kind listeners wrote in and I fixed it the next day.
And so if you didn't listen to the whole episode, just deleted and download it again.
[4:46] And then we also got some feedback, one of which I would like to just mention as follow up because we talked about banks,
in Germany and we specifically talked a lot about N26 and about de carb and veronica.
Right, so I would recommend Gaelle s Bank. It's a sustainable alternative to conventional banks where you never know where your money goes, you do have to pay a yearly contribution to support their green initiatives.
The sign up process was super smooth unlike within 26 with whom I actually had a horrible experience.
For some reason they don't approve accounts with certain citizenships.
So that's a good tip. Um we actually have gail s account as well with our company and I think it's absolutely true that this bank has good values and tries to do the right thing.
Um so I don't have any personal experience with it, but I would definitely pass on this recommendation.
[5:47] Thank you so much veronica.
How (Not) To Be A Tourist
[5:49] So what are we talking about today?
[5:52] Tourists go home. Okay.
[5:56] Tourists go home? I will put I will put that photo in the in the chapter art.
If you're listening on a good podcast app, not Spotify, you can see the chapter image and you will see jay and me standing in front of the wall in Barcelona that says tourists go home.
[6:13] And is this something that we believe in? No, I think it's great that Berlin has lots of tourists.
[6:17] No, no. Yeah, it was, it was very funny.
I think that was the theme of Barcelona you would see on all these walls, tourists go home tours, go home, people would paint over it one day and then come back the next day.
And yeah, today we're talking about, well not necessary tourists go home, but like I was always wondering how not to be a tourist.
Um and I'll elaborate a little bit on that. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a tourist.
I encourage people to, you know, if you're living in a place that you've been living there for a long time, try to switch on your tourist smoke, go see things that you have never seen before.
However, on the flip side of that, I think,
whenever I go to a new city or I go to a new place, I don't like doing the cliche touristy things, you know, like the stuff like you can see online, I like doing the things that locals would do.
I like doing the things that people who actually live in a city do and like replicate how they live. So this episode is essentially about how not to be a tourist, how to live a more local lifestyle.
So to say.
[7:24] Yeah. Or I guess if you're not moving to Berlin, but you're just thinking about visiting then maybe this would be a few recommendations in terms of what to do or how to do it,
when you are visiting without being too much of a tourist.
I have that same feeling like I used to be very kind of even allergic to this word tourist and I would be like, I'm not a tourist, I'm a traveler.
Um I think it's a little Ridiculous really to get hung up on these words so much in the end, it's a spectrum.
And when I traveled around the world, I definitely did tons of really touristy things and things that are in the top 10 things you need to do when you're in peru or whatever.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with going to those places or doing them.
But there is a certain mindset, I think that some people or that that you can fall into,
where basically all you're doing is checking off lists and like, yep, gone there and done that and like basically you're taking a guidebook and you're just,
checking off all the lists and I think the mindset that I try to have when I'm visiting is just to experience the place and be present in the place and give,
chance and serendipity.
[8:48] A chance, you know, and just to give like I have time to wander around and and get myself into trouble basically.
[8:56] That is such a great mindset, I completely agree with that.
Um Honestly, I think whenever I've allowed myself to kind of just wonder around the city, I probably have found a lot more than I would have I had, you know, planned everything out.
Um I I think that freedom is one of the beauty, one of the best things about going to a new place and experiencing it for the first time that you don't know anything and everything is so exciting for you.
You know, like something as mundane as shopping in a grocery store has completely been transformed with me being here in Germany,
because the grocery store is not just a grocery store now, it's it's a jungle for me, you know, different languages, different types of food, different placements of things, you know?
Um and I think when you're able to yeah, I just have that type of embrace the serendipity of life when you're in a new place.
I just, yeah, I just think that's probably one of the best state of beings you can ever, you know, get yourself in.
[9:58] Totally, have you ever used couchsurfing dot org?
[10:01] No, I haven't, I know a lot about it and I've heard a lot of people who have done it before and I've heard good things about it, but no, I haven't tried it. Have you.
[10:09] Yes. Actually I used to be hugely into couchsurfing both as a surfer as they call them.
So I couch surfed many, many years ago in Mexico and in different places that I've visited or lived in and had some really cool experiences there.
And then also later when I was traveling around the world, I couch surfed in Hong kong and in Tokyo and in some of these kind of really expensive cities just to save some money.
Um and then I also hosted people in Berlin um for a while and might actually pick that up again now that I have a place where I have a couch where people can sleep on.
But basically the, the experiences that I've had,
what made them special was that people didn't just give me a couch to crash but they kind of made me part of their daily life for a day or a few days and.
[11:09] I'm thinking back like I don't think I ever did something like super touristy with any of my couchsurfing hosts or guests.
Like it was never like okay let's go check out the Brandenburg Gate or let's do this really touristy thing. It was always like hanging out cooking together, going for a walk.
Hey, we know this really cool cafe, you should see it like,
staying with the local, whether it's through couchsurfing which has deteriorated deteriorated a little bit as a project and as a website um so I can't vouch for it, but I'm sure there's many other projects or ways to kind of stay with a local or with a host family.
I think that's probably the best way to experience a place without just having those tourist glasses on the entire time.
[11:54] I completely agree. I think that's really great. I think, yeah, I mean like when you do live with locals, you you assimilate to what they do and there's something more beautiful about that because it's so specific and unique, you know?
And I think also it's like for example if you're couch surfing in Peru, you're going to have a very different experience with a local than someone else who is couchsurfing on another family in Peru.
You know, rather when you are going to the tourist spaces, there's only so many tourists spaces that everyone goes through and everyone shares that experience.
But that couch surfing experience is so unique to you and that family, you know, and that's super cool.
[12:38] Exactly. Yeah. Yeah every experience is so different different and like I think when When someone says couchsurfing you immediately associated with I don't know people in their 20's who,
share their places and then maybe cook together and party together.
But I had some very different experiences. I remember in Mexico I stayed um with two guys that were incredibly humble and,
poor quite frankly like they lived in a place that had nothing really, they had two beds which they gave to me and my friend,
um and then like they wanted to sleep on the floor and our arguing about it didn't help like they really wanted to,
give us their beds and they worked on the street as jugglers in the intersections and kind of they shared this,
life of theirs with ours and then in the evenings and then at night they were jugglers in nightclubs and they were like you can come to those nightclubs,
with us basically, we'll let you in and you'll be guests and you know we'll work there,
and it was such a crazy experience to kind of see this very very different,
lifestyle and to become friends with them.
And then another experience which I also had in Mexico was an elderly couple like these this um this.
[14:00] Couple that was in their 70's I think hosted me and they so they were from the U.
S. But they had relocated to Mexico to spend their retirement years there and they told me that they were doing couchsurfing as a way to travel without traveling and to kind of invite the world into their home and they weren't very mobile.
And so we mostly were like, we spend some time together at their place.
And then we also went grocery shopping. This reminded me because you were talking about grocery shopping and I went grocery shopping with them And it's still like I still, this was so many years ago.
This was in 2007, I think, no, something like that.
And I still remember this trip to the grocery store with them because it was so special and such a unique experience.
[14:52] I love that. I am. I love that. See it's it's the most simple things that can be completely different if you're around different people, you know, that's what makes it special.
Experiencing Berlin Like A Local
[15:04] So for you in this city,
what do you recommend people if they if they want this more local, like experience here in Berlin, what do you recommend?
What's one thing that you recommend them? Do?
[15:22] Wow, it's a it's a really tricky question.
I mean the first thing that I think I always recommend is two try and experience the city from above and possibly if possible by bike,
or walking or maybe scooters like some way where your mobile, but you're not just reliant on the subway lines and the stops where they stop.
Um So I think if you can, if you're confident cycling in a big city with lots of dangers, um I think that's the way to go.
And then in terms of, I mean are you talking about what to do when you're just trying to discover this city or or what do you mean exactly?
[16:11] Yeah I would say we are trying to discover the city but you know all the typical cliche things that you can do but like there's the things that you know our only day to day that more locals will only you know really get,
which I think like for me I'm figuring out simply going to a park.
It's something that people just do normally like on their day to day and if you really want to experience the city, I really had 100° walking biking above ground please do that.
Like that was probably the best thing I did was get my bike and start walking because you completely experienced it in a different way and then just going to parks, yeah walking and going to parks and just chilling there.
Like that's something I love seeing every time I go like out it's just people chilling on the park and especially now where the weather is so great, it's like one of the best things you can do.
[17:05] That's true parks and also neighborhoods. So we did this episode where we talked about Berlin's neighborhoods,
and I think one thing that I would recommend and that I kind of want to do more of myself is instead of just going to the,
kind of areas or neighborhoods that are well known that have,
attractions, try to kind of go to different neighborhoods over time just to walk around and kind of see what is this neighborhood like and one tip in terms of how to do that without,
immediately being bored and being like okay what am I doing?
I'm just walking along some street where there's nothing um google maps has this feature where basically they are marking,
areas that are busier with daily life in this kind of light shaded yellow and I think it's based on basically,
the density of cafes and restaurants and shops because google maps knows about those and if it sees a lot of shops and restaurants in,
in a specific street, it marks it with this kind of yellowish background and so picking a neighborhood or an area and then just looking ok which parts and sometimes it's just like two blocks or something.
It's not necessarily like a big area.
But then just picking apart and taking a walk there.
I think that would be a real kind of adventure in getting to know the city without being a tourist at all because that's not something that tourists do.
[18:33] That's such a smart little thing that I like, I look at my google maps and like, I've always noticed that, but I never thought about that in that way.
That's probably, yeah, that's good advice right there, just going and you're just going to places where places are busy and like just seeing what you go there, you know, get there.
[18:52] I would also say, go to bars and go to like pubs.
Um Do you guys use the word pubs here?
[19:00] I think we usually say pub if it's an irish pub, otherwise we say bar, but can I ask you, do you feel comfortable going to bar by yourself?
Because I feel like you mentioned this recently when we're traveling and like I'm not shy and I'm I'm happy to talk to people that I don't know and stuff like that.
I'm not an introvert at all, but I feel like I would feel a little weird like going to a bar by myself and then like, what do you do? You like to sit down and you can look around?
Like, do you, do you ever actually do this?
[19:37] I do this a lot, I do this a lot um a lot, I did this when we were in Barcelona, I did this when I was in, I've done this in Berlin I've done this in Austin I've done this everywhere I go,
um and kind of for me, I mean I had no other choice um like especially if I go to a new city, I don't know anybody.
Um so you kind of have to and I've learned to be more comfortable with it, like it's all about your mindset that that you go into it, you have to remember that no one knows you,
and like of course you know obviously be safe, be mindful let people know where you are um if that's something important to you of course you know make sure you're being smart about it but with all that aside.
[20:17] I do understand you know being uncomfortable in those situations.
But I think that's also that's the serendipity that's,
a native of it is you really don't know who you'll meet or what type of vibe or what type of atmosphere you'll get by doing this and when you're by yourself you allow yourself to be open to anything that's coming and you're also a lot more approachable,
and you're also able to approach a lot more people when its just yourself.
Um I remember recently um I like maybe two weeks ago right before we left for Barcelona.
Um I decided to go to a hostile randomly at night and just go to the bar there um by myself.
So I just walked to the hospital when I got out. I mean drinking, I was just sitting there by the table by myself and I saw everyone talking, you know? And I was very nervous, I was like, like, like you will always be nervous, you will always be nervous.
And I was like, I, I see these two guys, they're just chilling there, They're watching like something on their phone, like I don't really want to interrupt them, but they don't seem like they're really by anybody.
Um So I was like, you know what, let me just take a swig of beer and let's just walk over there.
[21:26] So I took a swig of beer and I walked over there, I was like, hey, do you mind if I sit here?
And they're like, yeah, sure. It turns out they were to tourists from Sweden that just made it to Berlin Um They really didn't know anybody either.
They were just watching um football um just because they were bored and like just like me going up to them approaching them actually started some conversations and some other people came along.
[21:52] Um and it was such like a really cool experience. Um and that happened to me when I was in Barcelona as well, I was just sitting by myself.
Um I made eye contact with somebody, we just started talking and then another person came over.
Um and it slowly grew um I think,
you just have to one trust yourself, you have to know that you're a good person and you're like okay and the worst that anybody can ever say is just no and then you say no, you know you just move on.
Like the only you choose to feel embarrassed. You know, no one's going to make you feel embarrassed. So if you decide to not feel embarrassed or if you decide to feel embarrassed but you still want to do it anyways, you just move on and find somebody else. You know, I always look for eye contact.
Eye contact is always like the best way that I found to approach people.
Um if you're sitting by yourself or whatnot and like you're looking around and someone makes eye contact with you like and not necessarily even in a flirtatious way, So much flirtatious, but not always that just acknowledgment of,
like Youtube, another person is a little bit of permission to go up to them, you know?
Um I've always found most times if it's someone that I made eye contact with, there are a lot, like there are a lot more likely to have a conversation with me.
[23:06] Totally it's it's really funny because I feel like my friends know me as the person who makes friends in random places with random strangers, but I feel like you are at another level where you literally like force yourself to regularly.
I mean, I think it's also I mean I did this actually like,
when I was traveling by myself, I actually did this way more to like I did actually go to bars sometimes by myself and I did talk to people and meet people and in hostels anyway, you always meet so many people and it's so easy,
but I guess once you are settled in a place and like, you know, once you've lived in a place for a while and you have your friends and your social circle,
then it's like, I mean I'm at the point where I'm really struggling to see my own friends often enough and I usually feel very guilty about not being in touch enough and not seeing them enough and so then like,
meeting strangers doesn't become a priority anymore, but I think it should still be a part in everybody's life because I think like meeting new people and meeting strangers and befriending them, even if it's,
kind of temporary or you know, fleeting.
I think it's an amazing experience and it's like a good feeling always.
[24:21] I agree. And yeah, like I definitely, like when I was in Austin, when I first got there, I was many people, but then once I got my friend group, I stopped and that's definitely something I kind of wish, like I didn't,
because I think like, you're always going to, you know, find something exciting by meeting a stranger.
[24:38] And most times when ever met random people, it's always been better than I imagined it to be, you know?
Um even if I already have an establishment group, you have a person who can just offer you a new perspective um or just a quick conversation, but you know, you're continuously still meeting people because I think,
it's very easy to get comfortable, you know, like, like I think there's levels to it.
Like for me, me going to a bar and meeting people is kind of a survival thing because I need to meet people like, I don't know anybody in the city.
Um but then it's like once you our pastor survival, you're about the comfort ability, then I think it's gonna, it takes a little bit more push to be able to be like, okay, I'm not in survival mode.
I'm in thriving mode, but I still need to still meet people, I still need to go out and do that. And it takes being conscious and aware that that's the way things are.
I mean kudos to everybody who is able to be able to find their friend group, you know, and not need that.
But I do think that you always do serve benefits from doing that.
Like throughout the months that I was in um Austin, some of the best people that I met were people that I met literally maybe a week or two before I left for Berlin.
[25:54] You know, I was there for like nine months and some of the greatest people where I met literally the ninth month, the 8th and 9th month, so it's always really great to meet strangers no matter what.
Assimilating And Learning German
[26:05] So one thing that you wrote in our notes for this episode is that you don't want to be seen as a tourist and I wonder is that really?
Are you worried about the perception of, I don't know, like what are you worried that if you are walking around,
town with a camera around your neck, that people will see you as a tourist and kind of look down on you, or where does this feeling come from?
[26:32] That's a great question and I would say no, it's not necessary about them. Like I really don't give a funk about everybody else. What they think about me.
I was in full on tourist mode when I first got here. I mean when we were on the train back to Berlin from the airport, I have the camera out every second.
[26:44] Yes. Yes, you were.
[26:48] Um, I still like being a tourist. But I, I love like just, I love acting. I love assimilating into a culture.
So it's more like a personal thing that, that I love to feel like I'm a part of the city that I'm not like, I'm not like someone I am a part of city, not an extension or like, like, like, like a temporary thing in the city.
You know, like I think it's really cool for me to dress the part and like act apart and go to things.
It goes back to me really living the local lifestyle no matter how long I'm there.
[27:21] Yeah, and to be honest, I mean one topic maybe we'll do it as a separate episode and it's obviously also like my entire,
actual professional life is like learning german,
um and I think it's such a huge part of overcoming that,
kind of barrier or you know, actually assimilating because once you've unlocked the language and you're able to understand people and make yourself understood, you are able to participate in things that you are otherwise,
maybe somewhat able to participate in.
But you'll always stand out as like you said, you know, someone who's there temporarily maybe or,
as a tourist or as a visitor or as someone who just got here, but once you're able to actually talk and not worry about it, then yeah, you you're just a part of it.
[28:15] I completely agree um and I actually noticed that fairly recently,
um another thing when we're in Barcelona, I know we keep talking about Barcelona, it's because we went on a work trip there um and we literally just got back, so all of my stories going to Barcelona,
but I have met up with Dustin you know,
um and he was telling me about his experience in Berlin and one thing that he was really happy that he did was learn german because he felt that it unlocked like a new layer for him in the entire city,
um and like that just really changed my perspective of things, it's like,
you really do are able to unlock a completely different perspective in the entire city and the entire country whenever you are able to assimilate with the with the language, you're able to,
communicate in the very smallest ways, you know, you're able to overhear a conversation and know what they're saying, you're able to read signs and understand what the signs mean, you know?
Um and I think that's something that like it's very inspiring for me, you know, to learn german and to learn it.
[29:18] Um fairly quickly um just so I can like,
really have that that essence and have that little extension of the experience because I think the best parts of Berlin are going to be the parts that are in german because I mean it's the german city, you know the foundation of it is german,
so like I think that is a good way of assimilating to the culture and not necessarily being a tourist, but actually I don't like trying because also I'll add that you know,
traveling and going to different countries or going different places.
It's not just about the visual sight seeing of a different city but I think like there's another level of actually experiencing what people their experience, you know like like why else go to a different place.
Of course he has to sightsee and to like live on the beach and whatnot, but also to figure out how people live their lives there.
You know we are so used to the way that we live so you know why not do what you can to respectfully um figure out how other people live.
[30:17] Totally um there's a book that I think is pretty well known at this point,
but I really enjoyed it, it's called vega bonding and uncommon guide,
to the art of long term world travel and one of the things it um says and I still remember this even though it's been a while since I last read this,
is that a trip or any any trip or journey.
[30:44] Doesn't begin the moment you leave your house, it actually begins once you make the decision to take the journey and once you,
start saving up money for it or start making plans or start getting yourself into this mindset and I think that's a really good attitude that,
things don't start because your eyes are seeing something differently or your feet are touching a different street there they start when it they start in your mind basically and when I,
did my world trip, I traveled around the world for two years and I basically saved for that trip years leading up to it, like I started saving for it years before I actually went and,
I kind of considered that whole part of my life already part of the trip, like that was already part of the experience and um yeah, that's something that I would also recommend in terms of in terms of mindset I guess,
and just quickly going back to the language thing, I think Berlin is really,
a double edged sword because like if you go live in a Bavarian village you will by sheer necessity learn german very fast because otherwise.
[31:59] You will just have a very difficult time just even kind of getting by.
Whereas in Berlin you can get by fine without english and you can,
you know do everything you need to do in daily life and you can also easily find friends because Germans love speaking english most of them, at least,
for many of them, and there's a huge expat community in Berlin and you can basically never learn german and you'll be fine, but you will miss out on that kind of,
deeper level or kind of experiencing,
you know, the rest that this place has to offer.
[32:37] Exactly and I've heard that from everybody, even the experts I've met like, oh, I haven't learned german or whatnot and I think that's like cool, you know, you don't learn it, but like some people, I've talked to the neighborhood here for 23 years and they still don't know german and I'm like,
how do you live here for so long,
and you still don't know the language but granted everyone has different, I guess preferences or,
journeys there were intentions whenever they moved to a different place.
But I think that's very important because also for me it's like one thing of not being a tourist is also being able to travel around Germany, not just staying in Berlin you know.
Um, so at one point I would love to visit like um Munich or you know, any of the other cities and feel comfortable being able to go there and speak german, you know,
like, like traveling around Germany, that would be that, that's a really big goal of mine.
Um, and those places that can't necessarily rely on everybody speaking english.
Um, so like I definitely am like, yeah, you definitely can get by with just speaking english here, but also, I mean like it's also part of the journey to try to learn a different language or whatnot,
and we work in like a language learning community.
So it's also very inspiring for me to do the same thing.
[33:51] Totally okay, what else is there anything else about this whole topic of being not being a tourist?
[33:58] Yes, I actually have a question for you. Um more like the funny things is how do you spot a tourist.
How To Spot A Tourist
[34:05] Um they stand on the cycle path that I'm trying to race down on as fast as I can.
Um Yeah, no, seriously we put this in a video in an easy german video even.
Um it's definitely a thing because I don't know, I mean,
part of the problem is the german way to build bicycle paths because they often are directly attached or even just kind of the same as the,
sidewalk for pedestrians.
And the only difference is like a slight change in color but they're not separated in any way and like in other countries um they're like properly separated which is much safer and better.
Um But yeah, so tourists often don't know, oh this is meant to be for bikes and this is meant for pedestrians, so they just walk or stand and then berliners true.
Berliners get very upset and yell at them or furiously ring their bells.
I didn't used to have a bell and just yelled at people and at some point I felt like this was actually unnecessarily rude, so I got a bell and I'm um ringing my bell, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
[35:13] And now you excessively do that.
[35:17] Um But yeah, I mean that's that's definitely a surefire way to spot tourists.
Um I mean I think you can tell from from kind of the backpack and the camera and,
the way they look at their like the way I say they as though it's like another kind of people, I'm obviously often in this very same role myself, you know?
[35:38] No way.
[35:43] But like, I mean, you know when you're like looking at your phone and you're kind of turning around to see if you're looking into the right direction and stuff like that.
I always stop and ask, hey, do you need help?
And sadly usually people say no and basically what they mean is I would rather trust google maps than I would trust you so please don't talk to me.
[36:03] Welcome all.
[36:05] But, but I think like when that happened to me in the past, when someone said, hey, do you need help?
I always thought that was kind of like kind and always said, yes, I'm looking for this place.
Or even if I wasn't looking for a place I would just say I'm visiting and thanks so much and whatever, which is strike up a conversation because um yeah, that's really cool when people kind of welcome you into their city by saying, hey, do you need any help?
[36:31] Yeah, that's very true.
[36:33] How do you use butter tourists?
[36:35] Um I started tourists I think. Yeah, definitely.
I think by the way they're looking up in their phone or whatnot. But then once again I'm new to the city so I won't call myself a tourist.
But like I said, I'm looking up on my phone to trying to figure out their directions, but sometimes I can spot a tourist sometimes in the negative sense.
Um They're always going to be a little bit more loud, a little bit more obnoxious sometimes. Um.
[37:02] True depending on where they're from. But yeah, some, yeah.
[37:05] America. They're the worst. Yeah.
[37:10] And some other countries but Yeah, true, true.
And especially like in inappropriate places like being loud is one thing, but sometimes like in public transport for example, I mean there's countries that are way more to either extreme.
So for example in Japan you can be on a subway car and it is completely packed and it is quiet.
No one is saying anything because it would be rude and it's just quiet.
So Germany is not that either. But then there's other countries.
Um so for example, I was on a few busses in china and I was just, I was just surprised by the noise level.
People would talk so loudly and I think Germany is somewhere in the middle where you can have a conversation but you are still kind of aware that there's other people and they shouldn't be able to hear every single word usually.
[38:05] But then though I will um like conflict on my own point because sometimes the locals are the loudest ones, like drunk locals, like they'd be like, like I've been,
I've been on like the subway like late at night and the drunk locals are the ones who are like the most loud.
So yeah, I mean, I guess it is very hard to spot, but then at that, since like I know that they are locals, you know, they're also speaking german or whatnot.
Um So I guess honestly, by the tourists, by the way they're talking, like if they're speaking english or german and then also, I guess like, also how comfortable they are in their environment as well.
[38:46] Although I would say like there's a lot of people speaking english in Berlin and the people who are tourists and the people who live here have like a different way of talking.
Like I feel like, you know, to, to couples speaking english, I can usually tell who's here and who is just visiting.
[39:03] Fair, interesting. Now is there anything as a local in Berlin as someone who's lived here a long time that you, aside from them walking on the back path, things that you don't like tourists to do?
[39:17] One big cliche, which I don't experience where I live, but I kind of understand how some people who live kind of in touristy areas would complain about.
This is the suitcases, like the suitcases going over cobblestone basically because some streets really have cobblestone or some other um surface that's not smooth.
And then you have these hordes of tourists with their little suitcases that they're just like dragging behind them and it just goes.
[39:48] Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump bump.
[39:53] And how that would be annoying. On the other hand, I mean I used to be like, I traveled around the world with just a backpack and was a huge believer in it.
Um but I also, I've warmed up two suitcases, I mean, especially if you're trying to bring a lot of stuff for some reason, suitcases with roles are pretty nice.
[40:14] Yeah, I definitely that digressing but um I definitely like backpacks more than like suitcases, but suitcases definitely have had their benefits sometimes and I'm kind of regretting not having a suitcase sometimes,
especially when you do end up having more stuff that you don't realize.
But I love the backpack lifestyle though, that's the true backpacking.
People don't call it suit casing.
[40:39] First of all that and then also you can,
um run upstairs, you know, and not worry about like that's just like such an unseemly image of basic, basically anyone trying to carry their.
[40:54] Suitcase up A lot of like seven floors upstairs. It's just not great.
[40:59] Exactly, exactly. Um But yeah, to sum up my points, I definitely encourage people to still, I encourage, you know, this is what I do.
Travel Like A Local, Live Like A Tourist
[41:09] I encourage tourists to live like locals and locals to live like tourists,
I think that um if you live in the city for long enough you should still,
try to have that same excitement as you would if you were touring the city and also if you're touring,
you still have the excitement of being a local and like trying to do things that locals would do, like that will just give you that extra umph of like the city lifestyle that you know, you might fall in love with it, you know.
[41:36] That's a great point and it sounds like a cliche, but it's actually, it's a really good rule to live by because something that I really catch myself,
not doing is experiencing the city and especially like if I'm, you know, on a sunday where I'm taking some time off work and,
and the weather is beautiful, it's just so easy to stay at home or stay in your neighborhood and do nothing, quote unquote and that's also,
fine and has its place, but it's so easy to go to some amazing place in Berlin that you've never seen,
and it takes you two hours because you just cycle there and then you cycle back,
and it's such a low hanging fruit and you get to be a tourist and and experience this thing that people pay thousands of dollars for and fly halfway around the world for,
and you can just do it spontaneously on a sunday, so you should do more of it.
So I think you're absolutely right in terms of like having kind of the opposite mindset of the default.